Thats not a simple modification to my PCB, but I'll give it a try. Thanks for your help
Sounds to me like your REFCLK is not getting through or your PLL loop is open. Could be a bad solder connection. Try to measure signals not on the PCB trace, but directly on the DRS4 pins. Drive REFCLK with a proper LVDS signal. Maybe it's wrong what I wrote in the data sheet and the trick with VDD/2 is not really working.
I found the problem, and it had nothing to do with the CMOS clock input. As it turns out, even though I was using the default state of the config register, I still had to write to it after powerup. Once I did that, the PLL locked immediately.
That probably depends on the way your FPGA boots. If the SRCLK signal goes high after the SRIN - even a few ns - you might clock one or two zeros into the config register, thus disabling the PLL. Shame that I haven't thought of this before.
Dear DRS4 team,
I'm experiencing some issues that seem to be isolated to the ASIC, and would like to understand if we are doing something wrong. There are several items to address in the post.
First, I do not think the noise observed is being injected from elsewhere on the board. If I run the DRS in transparent mode, the baseline noise is low, on order 3.5 mV (60 ADU), perhaps radiated from a clock. See below image. The scale is 0 to 1000 ADU with LSB = 6 uV (same AD9245 as eval board.). The DRS is in RUNNING state, I have forced a trigger in the ILA. This is for a single channel, CH0, 1024 cells.
In the next image, I show the waveform obtained from a full readout. This corresponds to ADC_READOUT state, and the plot uses the same 1000 ADU scale. Noise seems around 350 ADU now, many factors worse than before.
We've spent a lot of time trying to understand what's happening. One area that would be helpful to get some guidance on is the "t_samp" parameter. In Fig. 11 of the data sheet, should there be a t_samp label between t_s and t_clk? It just has arrows there with some width.
In our current firmware I believe R1 is simply one clock after R0 (for both ROI and full readout mode). Would this lead to the added noise observed in muxout?
This leads to the next question on what to actually use for t_samp. In the data sheet, page 4 "Timing Characteristics" it says to use t_samp = t0 + t_clk. Additionally, t0= 10 ns from that table. Fair enough.
But if I check this against the eval board timing, I see very different values. Here the clock is 15 MHz so t_clk=67 ns (I note another post about this topic https://elog.psi.ch/elogs/DRS4+Forum/713), so I expect t_samp = 77 ns. But in practice it looks like the R0 to R1 delay is ~465 ns? (cyan=RSRLOAD, yellow=SRCLK)
Given this, is t_samp a value that should be tuned by the user?
noise in transparent mode comes from some coupling to your system clock. But 3.5 mV RMS seems rather hight to me. You should get it to below 1 mV if the DRS4 input is clean (try to short it).
The noise in the readout is expected. It looks exactly as Plot3 from the data sheet. You have to calibrate it away with a fixed offset for each cell as described in this paper: https://arxiv.org/abs/1405.4975 (paragraph IV. A. Voltage Calibration).
Concerning t_samp: Fig 11 in the datasheet just tells you that the rising edge of the SRCLK should come later than t_s after the address change. t_s is the setup time and 5 ns. Fig 12 tells you that the ADC should sample the analog output of the DRS t_samp after the address change A0-A3 and t_samp after the rising edge of SRCLK.
The digitizing speed of the evaluation board is indeed 15 MHz instead of the maximum 30 MHz, because this was easier to program in the FPGA. The t_samp has to be there so that the analog output signal of the DRS4 settles to its final value after each SRCLK pulse. If you sample "too early", you sample with the ADC the output when it is sill moving. So you have to wait until the analog is settled, but just before the next DRS sample becomes visible at the output. You can fine tune this with a differential probe at the DRS4 analog output (on a single ended probe you might drown in noise) on one channel of yoru scope and the ADC sample clock on the other channel of your scope. Note that the ADC sample clock cannot be derived straight from your FPGA clock, but you need some clock manager to fine-adjust its phase in 1ns steps.
But again, looking at your output, everything seems fine. You see the 5mV rms noise indicated in the datasheet table 1, which translates to about 20 mV peak-to-peak. If you do the offset calibration, this should go down to below 1 mV.
Thanks much for the quick reply. Ok, yes, things do seem ok after the offset calibration. I am running into some other issues I could use your advice on but will make a separate thread. As a preview, you can see hints in this waveform (periodic negative spikes).
This one should be considered resolved.
I'm trying to troubleshoot some odd spike behavior. If I run the ADC and SR CLK at 16 MHz (behavior also seen at 33 MHz) we get very noisy data (post-calibration) with periodic spikes.
In the below plot
After I modify some clock settings, things seem to improve dramatically, and the spike behavior changes
Artifacts seem related to clock configuration, but I am sort of in the dark on what might be happening from a first-principles point of view. Any tips?
If you do the cell calibration correctly, your noise should be ~0.4 mV. You seem to be 2-3x larger. The periodic negative spikes come if you dont' sample at the right time. Adjust t_samp until they are gone.
Yes, there is some systematic board noise on this prototype, unfortunately
Ok, then it seems the other post I made might still belong in this thread after all.
Thanks for confirming negative spike behavior, we now have a mitigation plan going forward.
I have been collecting some date using the DRS4 board at a trigger rate of 10-20 Hz, I only need the timestamp and the amplitude, is there anyway to select only these two live as the data comes in to be stored.
Alternatively, What's the maximum file size or maximum number of events I can store in one binary file in linux.
The maximum file size depends on the underlying linux file system. Common values are 4-16 GBytes.
Recently I bought a 5GSPS evaluation board with 2048 sampling points.
I want to read 4 inputs of the evaluation bord ar 5 GSPS or 2.5GSP and use an external trigger.
I've checked your website and download drs-5.0.5 which contains the source code in C. It seems that the file drs_exam.cpp can do what I am looking for.
So far I could make and compile the project in Linux Ubuntu, but I couldn't compile it in Windows 10. I've used Cygwin64 to compile the project in windows 10.
I have the following questions:
1- Since I only need to compile the drs_exam.cpp file, could please help me with how can I compile it directly(without making the entire project). Or tell me which version of Wxwidget and libusb I have to install.
2- If you have any sample code that can read 4 inputs with an external trigger, please tell me where can I find it.
In the end, I want to write a wrapper on this C file(which returns digitized data) and run it from my python program. Thank you in advance.