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  214   Thu Dec 27 18:15:14 2012 Jinhong Wangvariation of sampling capacitors

Stefan Ritt wrote:

Jinhong Wang wrote:

Hi Stefan,

A quick question, what is the typical variation of the sampling capacitors in DRS4?  Will this variation be significant to affect your sampling result?

 Best,

Jinhong 

The capacitors sample the input voltage, not the charge, so the actual size of the capacitors does not matter on first order (the variations might be in the order of 5%). A bigger effect is the variation of the analog switches in the front of the capacitors, which is about 15%. So the actual bandwidth each cell sees varies by maybe 20% (given by the R and the C), but this comes only into play when sampling steep edges.

Stefan

 Great to know this! Thanks~

Jinhong

  215   Fri Feb 1 17:43:48 2013 Jinhong Wangvariation of sampling capacitors

Jinhong Wang wrote:

Stefan Ritt wrote:

Jinhong Wang wrote:

Hi Stefan,

A quick question, what is the typical variation of the sampling capacitors in DRS4?  Will this variation be significant to affect your sampling result?

 Best,

Jinhong 

The capacitors sample the input voltage, not the charge, so the actual size of the capacitors does not matter on first order (the variations might be in the order of 5%). A bigger effect is the variation of the analog switches in the front of the capacitors, which is about 15%. So the actual bandwidth each cell sees varies by maybe 20% (given by the R and the C), but this comes only into play when sampling steep edges.

Stefan

 Great to know this! Thanks~

Jinhong

 Hi Dr. Stefan,

So the sampling capacitors store the input voltage instead of the charge. What about the readout circuits? I saw there is a buffer followed each sampling capacitor. Do you buffer the charge (like a charge sensitive amplifier)  or the voltage? From Fig.12, 14 in datasheet, it seems most probably the readout is a charging or discharging of a capacitor. Could you please add some comments on this? 

Cheers,

Jinhong

  781   Wed Oct 23 17:56:26 2019 John JendzurskiComputing corrected time from binary data...what is t_0,0?

In the equations for computing the corrected time for channels other than channel 1, does anyone know what the term t0,0 refers to?  This is the last term in the last equation on page 24 of DRS4 Evaluation Board User’s Manual, Board Revision 5 as of January 2014, Last revised: April 27, 2016.

Screenshot from User's Manual is attached below.

Thank you!

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  631   Fri Oct 13 03:39:01 2017 Jonathan WapmanRaspberry Pi Connection Failure

I am currently attempting to use a raspberry pi to connect to the DRS 4 board. I whenever I try to use the DRS Command Line TOol, Revision 21435 to connect to the drs board, I get the error

"musb_open: libusb_open() error -3"

"USB successfully scanned, but no boards found"

"No DRS Boards Found".

I successfully compiled the libusb driver before compiling the drs software 5.0.6, and installed all other listed packages in the install instructions.

  700   Wed Jun 13 13:23:17 2018 Julian KempMaximum analog input voltage

Dear all,

I have been wondering what the maximum analog input voltage for the DRS4 V5 evaluation board is. It came with a sticker indicating that it is "2.5V pk Max". On the other hand, when checking the manual (https://www.psi.ch/drs/DocumentationEN/manual_rev50.pdf), it says maximum allowed is 10V DC or even 30V for short pulses. I foresee an application where I cannot make sure that pulses stay below 2.5V, so the correct value will be quite important for me.

Best,
Julian

  702   Wed Jun 13 16:34:28 2018 Julian KempMaximum analog input voltage

Thank you! That solves my problem.

Stefan Ritt wrote:

In principle the numbers in the manual are correct. But they relate to pulses of a certain length, because the input protection only works for DC voltage and for pulses which are not too long. Since we could not write this all on the label of the board, we decided to put there 100% safe value as a "warning" to people, meaning that if pulses are above 2.5V, they should look into the manual and read the details. 

Stefan

Julian Kemp wrote:

Dear all,

I have been wondering what the maximum analog input voltage for the DRS4 V5 evaluation board is. It came with a sticker indicating that it is "2.5V pk Max". On the other hand, when checking the manual (https://www.psi.ch/drs/DocumentationEN/manual_rev50.pdf), it says maximum allowed is 10V DC or even 30V for short pulses. I foresee an application where I cannot make sure that pulses stay below 2.5V, so the correct value will be quite important for me.

Best,
Julian

 

 

  401   Sun Apr 5 22:16:48 2015 Julien WulfDRS4 Evaluation Board Baseline/Voltage Calibration

Hi,

I`m trying to calibrate my DRS4 evoluation board to an input range of 0-1V but it doesn`t work.

1) First I tried to calibrate it with the drsosc (version 5.0.3) Software. The -0.5V - 0.5V calibration works, but during the 0 - 1V calibration the Software crashes.

2) I also tried to calibrate the input range with a C++ DAQ Package (based on drs_exam). Here the code of the calibration:

    ....

    b->SetInputRange(0.) (Center at 0 V )

    b->CalibrateVolt(NULL);

   ....

   Calibration Works

   ....

   b->SetInputRange(0.5) (Center at 0.5 V )

   b->CalibrateVolt(NULL);

  ....

   Results in: Found 4096 stuck pixels on this board.

Did I do a mistake or is this a normal behaviour of the board? Also the board often crashes and I get a magic number 0000 after restarting the DAQ. Then the board needs to be restarted via pulling the plug. ( I ensured that I terminate the USB connection before I close the program with "delete drs"). Is there a possibility to avoid this error?

My OS: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS.

Ciao,

Julien

  784   Thu May 21 07:18:48 2020 Keita MizukoshiDRS4 Evaluation board control tool 'drscl' with macro file

Dear experts,

 

I would like to use DRS4 evaluation board as DAQ system for small, table-top experiment.

I need waveforms capture as binary file on some trigger based on command line without GUI.

I found `drscl` tool in official software, but it require interactive command. I'd rather use static macro or so on to control DAQ as same behaviour in each time.

I guess, experts are thinking users should develop DAQ code by themselves for their experiment specifically, but my request is very common so someone has already developed these tool.

 

Best regards,

Keita

  785   Thu May 21 07:38:05 2020 Keita MizukoshiType check at DOFrame.h in official software

Hi,

 

I've failured to compile official software. The cause is the following line.

DOFrame.h L.111    bool GetRefclk()        { return m_refClk > 0; }

 

m_refClk is pointer to bool. I guess these line is for null-check of the pointer.

Can I replace the following line as 

bool GetRefclk()        { return m_refClk != nullptr; }

?

The latest compilers may not accept C-style check.

 

My compiler version is

Apple clang version 11.0.3 (clang-1103.0.32.59)
Target: x86_64-apple-darwin19.4.0
Thread model: posix
InstalledDir: /Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/Toolchains/XcodeDefault.xctoolchain/usr/bin

Best regards,

Keita

  789   Mon May 25 03:36:12 2020 Keita MizukoshiDRS4 Evaluation board control tool 'drscl' with macro file

Thank you very much. That is what I wanted.

Stefan Ritt wrote:

There is an example program in the distribution under software/drscl/drs_exam.cpp which is a stand-alone program to do what you need. It uses the C library coming with the distribution. It configureres the board, defines a trigger, and then writes a few waveforms into a file. You can use it as a starting point for your development. If you need any other language, you have to develop bindings to the C library.

Stefan

Keita Mizukoshi wrote:

Dear experts,

 

I would like to use DRS4 evaluation board as DAQ system for small, table-top experiment.

I need waveforms capture as binary file on some trigger based on command line without GUI.

I found `drscl` tool in official software, but it require interactive command. I'd rather use static macro or so on to control DAQ as same behaviour in each time.

I guess, experts are thinking users should develop DAQ code by themselves for their experiment specifically, but my request is very common so someone has already developed these tool.

 

Best regards,

Keita

 

 

  508   Fri Apr 15 12:58:46 2016 Konstantin GusevDRS4 purchase information

    Hi,

 I can't contact with Anita Van Loon about DSR4 chip's price and delivery.

Did you still sell it? Can you provide me this information?

  563   Fri Nov 18 05:52:45 2016 Kurtis NishimuraChannel offsets in GetTime()

Hello,

I have a question about the GetTime() method in DRS.cpp.  I understand how the DT values are applied for all channels, and I also understand from the evaluation board manual that the timing of each channel is synchronized at sample 0, so samples should really be aligned from channel-to-channel relative to sample 0.

However, DRS.cpp has the following snippet in DrsBoard::GetTime():

   if (channelIndex > 0) {
      // correct all channels to channel 0 (Daniel's method)
      iend = tc >= 700 ? 700+1024 : 700;
      for (i=tc,gt0=0 ; i<iend ; i++)
         gt0 += fCellDT[chipIndex][0][i % 1024];
      
      for (i=tc,gt=0 ; i<iend ; i++)
         gt += fCellDT[chipIndex][channelIndex][i % 1024];
      
      for (i=0 ; i<fChannelDepth ; i++)
         time[i] += (float)(gt0 - gt);
   }

I can see what this is calculating and applying such an offset, but I don't understand why things seem to be referenced to sample 700.  Is there a particular reason why sample 700 is chosen here?  This does not seem like a straightforward application of the attached instructions from the evaluation board user's manual.

Any insight would be much appreciated!

Thanks so much,

-Kurtis

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  509   Thu Apr 21 22:16:43 2016 Kyle WeinfurtherNegative fCellDT values from GetTimeCalibration()

Hello Stefan,

I am using four DRS4 v5 eval boards to digitize 16 channels of data. I have recently changed from saving the timing information of the waveform using GetTime() to GetTimeCalibration(). When changing over, I noticed that some values for fCellDT for cell 498 are negative. Over the 16 channels used, 4 of them have negative time bin widths for cell 498 while the other 12 channels are very close to 0 (in the ~10 ps range). One of the eval boards has no negative fCellDT whereas the other three boards have one or two channels with negative values.

Upon further inspection, I checked the time between samples of GetTime() and found the same results in cell 498. After finding this, I did a timing calibration again with CalibrateTiming() even though in a different post on the discussion forum you said it was valid for a wide range of temperatures and a long time (years). This still allowed the negative fCellDT values to persist.

Is this a common occurance? If so, is there a method to fix this issue? Is there a reason for cell 498 to have a small value for fCellDT? I searched the discussion forum and did not find anything relating to this issue.

Attached are a couple waveform traces using GetTime() zoomed in on cell 498.

Thanks,

Kyle Weinfurther

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  467   Wed Jan 6 15:51:58 2016 Larry ByarsUse of Channel Cascading in drs_exam.cpp

Hello Stefan,

Here in Rockford, TN we just got a new DRS4 evaluation board (Serail # 2612, Board Type 9, Firmware 21305) which is labeled as combined 2048.

It looks like the drs_exam.cpp only works with 1024 samples per channel. We'd like to be able to get 2048 samples from each of the four channels but I am uncertain what code modifications are necessary support this.

Could you offer a suggestion? I've searched the forum for cascade and read several threads but they are pretty old. One even says it isn't supported in the evaluation board, but I think that is no longer the case.

 

Thanks for your help,

 

Larry Byars

 

  469   Tue Jan 12 15:42:31 2016 Larry ByarsUse of Channel Cascading in drs_exam.cpp

An update. I have been successful in making modifications to drs_exam.cpp so that I can get 2048 samples per channel.. The main changes were to the size of the time_array and wave_array and adding a call to Set ChannelConfig(0,8,4). It was also necessary to change the parameters to GetWave so that the Trigger Cell and WSR values were passed to get the channel combinations correct (2048 channel.ppt).

I've moved on to try to increase the speed of acquisition (I get only about 500 events/sec) and trying to understand the corrections.Working through the source code slowly...

Regards,

Larry Byars

Larry Byars wrote:

Hello Stefan,

Here in Rockford, TN we just got a new DRS4 evaluation board (Serail # 2612, Board Type 9, Firmware 21305) which is labeled as combined 2048.

It looks like the drs_exam.cpp only works with 1024 samples per channel. We'd like to be able to get 2048 samples from each of the four channels but I am uncertain what code modifications are necessary support this.

Could you offer a suggestion? I've searched the forum for cascade and read several threads but they are pretty old. One even says it isn't supported in the evaluation board, but I think that is no longer the case.

 

Thanks for your help,

 

Larry Byars

 

 

  619   Fri Jun 16 17:34:20 2017 Laura GonellaDriver installation on Windows 10

Hello,

I am trying to get a DRS4 board to run on Windows 10. I am having problems with the driver installation. I am getting the follwoing message

"There is no driver selected for the device information set or element"

I had specified the path to look for the driver as C:\ProgramFilesx86\DRS\driver\. I also tried the option to look online for the driver. None works. Can anyone help?

Thanks,

Laura

  737   Wed Feb 20 08:03:04 2019 Lev Pavlovmeg?

Hey. Strange problem. Why does the compiler refer there at all? Library installed drsosc works

 

LINK : fatal error LNK1104: cannot open file "C:\meg\online\drivers\drs\libusb-1.0\libusb-1.0.lib"

  739   Wed Feb 20 12:13:44 2019 Lev Pavlovmeg?

Great, drs_exam compiles without problems. Now when you run the compiled file drs_exam writes board not found, but drsosc and drscl work without problems. What could possibly be the matter?

thanks for your patience

Lev

Stefan Ritt wrote:

You have to change the path to libusb-1.0.lib to the one where you installed it.

Stefan

Lev Pavlov wrote:

Hey. Strange problem. Why does the compiler refer there at all? Library installed drsosc works

 

LINK : fatal error LNK1104: cannot open file "C:\meg\online\drivers\drs\libusb-1.0\libusb-1.0.lib"

 

 

  742   Thu Feb 21 09:51:24 2019 Lev Pavlovno board found

Hey. Yes, the program is running as administrator. By the way, this is win10. Your drs_exam works fine. My drs_exam compiled wrote no board found. Maybe this is a problem like in the post https://elog.psi.ch/elogs/DRS4+Forum/698. Maybe there were solutions to the problems?

Thank You

Lev

Stefan Ritt wrote:

No idea. Maye some access problem. Have you tried to start your program under an admin account?

Stefan

Lev Pavlov wrote:

Great, drs_exam compiles without problems. Now when you run the compiled file drs_exam writes board not found, but drsosc and drscl work without problems. What could possibly be the matter?

thanks for your patience

Lev

Stefan Ritt wrote:

You have to change the path to libusb-1.0.lib to the one where you installed it.

Stefan

Lev Pavlov wrote:

Hey. Strange problem. Why does the compiler refer there at all? Library installed drsosc works

 

LINK : fatal error LNK1104: cannot open file "C:\meg\online\drivers\drs\libusb-1.0\libusb-1.0.lib"

 

 

 

 

  744   Mon Feb 25 08:40:44 2019 Lev Pavlovno board found

 

Hello. When compiling drs_exam, do you need to use a "static "version of usblib or a "dynamic" version?"The problem with "no board found" is not solved. Thanks for your help.

Lev.

Stefan Ritt wrote:

Could be. Have you tried that elog:657

Stefan

Lev Pavlov wrote:

Hey. Yes, the program is running as administrator. By the way, this is win10. Your drs_exam works fine. My drs_exam compiled wrote no board found. Maybe this is a problem like in the post https://elog.psi.ch/elogs/DRS4+Forum/698. Maybe there were solutions to the problems?

Thank You

Lev

Stefan Ritt wrote:

No idea. Maye some access problem. Have you tried to start your program under an admin account?

Stefan

Lev Pavlov wrote:

Great, drs_exam compiles without problems. Now when you run the compiled file drs_exam writes board not found, but drsosc and drscl work without problems. What could possibly be the matter?

thanks for your patience

Lev

Stefan Ritt wrote:

You have to change the path to libusb-1.0.lib to the one where you installed it.

Stefan

Lev Pavlov wrote:

Hey. Strange problem. Why does the compiler refer there at all? Library installed drsosc works

 

LINK : fatal error LNK1104: cannot open file "C:\meg\online\drivers\drs\libusb-1.0\libusb-1.0.lib"

 

 

 

 

 

 

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