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  466   Wed Dec 30 17:00:00 2015 Stefan RittDtap stops toggling after 40msec

While I can understand 1., I'm puzzeled by 2.

If you put the chip in standby mode, the internal current sources are switched off, which of course make the domino wave non-functional. This is clearly stated in the data sheet.

Concerning the DMODE bit, we operate all (!) our chips with DMODE=1. Actually this is the default value. After a reset, all register bits are "1", which enables the PLL and causes DTAP to oscillate. If DMODE=1, the DTAP signal should toggle only once (!) since the domino loop is not closed. So the scope traces you showed previously are consistent with the standby mode, but not possible with ANY setting of DMODE.

Stefan

mony orbach wrote:

Hi

We have resolve the problem, the Dtap is now working correctly.

There were two problems:

  1. After configuration we put the all address bits to one (standby mode)

We are now setting the address bits to all zero. Failure

to do so result in Dtap  stop toggling after several hundred milliseconds.

  1. The DMODE bit in contradiction to the data sheet should be set to 0

And not to 1.

 

Is this a known bug in the chip?

Only bay setting DMODE to zero we got the Dtap to work correctly.

The PLL locks after 1 milisec.

If we set it to one we get Dtap that stop toggling after several hundred milliseconds.

We have test it on two boards, they both worked in the same.

Never did we get a One shot  Dtap.

 

Did you published a errata page to the drs4?

 

Thanks, Mony

 

  473   Thu Jan 14 14:00:26 2016 mony orbachDtap stops toggling after 40msec

surrey i forgot to update..

after carefully examining our VHDL we found out that there are brief times that we put A0-A3 in 1111

after making shore that a0-a3 never get 1111 value thae drs4 woks as expected.

The dtap toggols ok.

We can sample and read all the data channels.

So, putting A0-A3 value of 1111 even for very short period  " confuse " the DRS and then it start to behave in a strange manner.

 

mony

Stefan Ritt wrote:

While I can understand 1., I'm puzzeled by 2.

If you put the chip in standby mode, the internal current sources are switched off, which of course make the domino wave non-functional. This is clearly stated in the data sheet.

Concerning the DMODE bit, we operate all (!) our chips with DMODE=1. Actually this is the default value. After a reset, all register bits are "1", which enables the PLL and causes DTAP to oscillate. If DMODE=1, the DTAP signal should toggle only once (!) since the domino loop is not closed. So the scope traces you showed previously are consistent with the standby mode, but not possible with ANY setting of DMODE.

Stefan

mony orbach wrote:

Hi

We have resolve the problem, the Dtap is now working correctly.

There were two problems:

  1. After configuration we put the all address bits to one (standby mode)

We are now setting the address bits to all zero. Failure

to do so result in Dtap  stop toggling after several hundred milliseconds.

  1. The DMODE bit in contradiction to the data sheet should be set to 0

And not to 1.

 

Is this a known bug in the chip?

Only bay setting DMODE to zero we got the Dtap to work correctly.

The PLL locks after 1 milisec.

If we set it to one we get Dtap that stop toggling after several hundred milliseconds.

We have test it on two boards, they both worked in the same.

Never did we get a One shot  Dtap.

 

Did you published a errata page to the drs4?

 

Thanks, Mony

 

 

  474   Thu Jan 14 14:11:06 2016 Stefan RittDtap stops toggling after 40msec

Thanks for the update, I will add a note into the data sheet.

mony orbach wrote:

surrey i forgot to update..

after carefully examining our VHDL we found out that there are brief times that we put A0-A3 in 1111

after making shore that a0-a3 never get 1111 value thae drs4 woks as expected.

The dtap toggols ok.

We can sample and read all the data channels.

So, putting A0-A3 value of 1111 even for very short period  " confuse " the DRS and then it start to behave in a strange manner.

 

mony

Stefan Ritt wrote:

While I can understand 1., I'm puzzeled by 2.

If you put the chip in standby mode, the internal current sources are switched off, which of course make the domino wave non-functional. This is clearly stated in the data sheet.

Concerning the DMODE bit, we operate all (!) our chips with DMODE=1. Actually this is the default value. After a reset, all register bits are "1", which enables the PLL and causes DTAP to oscillate. If DMODE=1, the DTAP signal should toggle only once (!) since the domino loop is not closed. So the scope traces you showed previously are consistent with the standby mode, but not possible with ANY setting of DMODE.

Stefan

mony orbach wrote:

Hi

We have resolve the problem, the Dtap is now working correctly.

There were two problems:

  1. After configuration we put the all address bits to one (standby mode)

We are now setting the address bits to all zero. Failure

to do so result in Dtap  stop toggling after several hundred milliseconds.

  1. The DMODE bit in contradiction to the data sheet should be set to 0

And not to 1.

 

Is this a known bug in the chip?

Only bay setting DMODE to zero we got the Dtap to work correctly.

The PLL locks after 1 milisec.

If we set it to one we get Dtap that stop toggling after several hundred milliseconds.

We have test it on two boards, they both worked in the same.

Never did we get a One shot  Dtap.

 

Did you published a errata page to the drs4?

 

Thanks, Mony

 

 

 

  793   Sat Aug 29 22:00:30 2020 Hans SteigerDynamic Range Evaluation Board and Software

Dear Evaluation Board Team,

 

currently I am facing the problem of digitizing pulses with an amplitude of -0.6V to -0.8V. As the dynamic range of the board is 1Vpp, this should be feasible. However, I do not know how to set in the software a correct range. I see only -0.5V/0.5V, and the two positive options. Normally I would use -0.5V/0.5V and give the thing an offset of 0.4V or so? Is this possible? Where can I set such a offset?

 

All the best,

Hans

  794   Mon Aug 31 10:52:42 2020 Stefan RittDynamic Range Evaluation Board and Software

You cannot go below -0.5V for the inputs, since the board does not have an internal negative power supply, which would be necessary for that. If you have -0.8V pulses, the easiest is to use a passive inverter at the input to convert it to a 0.8V pulse.

Stefan

Hans Steiger wrote:

Dear Evaluation Board Team,

 

currently I am facing the problem of digitizing pulses with an amplitude of -0.6V to -0.8V. As the dynamic range of the board is 1Vpp, this should be feasible. However, I do not know how to set in the software a correct range. I see only -0.5V/0.5V, and the two positive options. Normally I would use -0.5V/0.5V and give the thing an offset of 0.4V or so? Is this possible? Where can I set such a offset?

 

All the best,

Hans

 

  204   Thu Dec 6 09:23:36 2012 Martin PetriskaEVM rev4 board trigger change and drs_example

 I switched from rev 3 to rev 4 board, but have some problems with triggering, board is now waiting for trigger (rev.3 is working). How to do in drs_exam.cpp for example triggering on Ch0 && CH1 ?

Software 4.0.0, windows version.

Here is old trigger initialisation: 

b->EnableTrigger(0,1);

b->SetTriggerSource(0);

b->SetTriggerLevel(0.25, false);

b->SetTriggerDelayNs(0);

 

Btw. Is it possible to set up different trigger Levels for each channel ?

 

(If there is some interest here is my code in Qt, still aplha) http://sourceforge.net/p/qtpals/code

  211   Fri Dec 14 21:49:29 2012 Stefan RittEVM rev4 board trigger change and drs_example

Martin Petriska wrote:

 I switched from rev 3 to rev 4 board, but have some problems with triggering, board is now waiting for trigger (rev.3 is working). How to do in drs_exam.cpp for example triggering on Ch0 && CH1 ?

Software 4.0.0, windows version.

Here is old trigger initialisation: 

b->EnableTrigger(0,1);

b->SetTriggerSource(0);

b->SetTriggerLevel(0.25, false);

b->SetTriggerDelayNs(0);

 

Btw. Is it possible to set up different trigger Levels for each channel ?

 

(If there is some interest here is my code in Qt, still aplha) http://sourceforge.net/p/qtpals/code

Sorry the late reply.

In V4, triggering has changed. You can trigger now on an OR or AND of channels. Therefore you have to supply a bitmask, where the 1st bit = CH1, 2nd bit = CH2 and so on. Have a look at the most recent drs_exam. It contains code:

 

   /* use following lines to enable hardware trigger on CH1 at 50 mV positive edge */
   if (b->GetBoardType() == 8) {     // Evaluaiton Board V4 
      b->EnableTrigger(1, 0);           // enable hardware trigger
      b->SetTriggerSource(1<<0);        // set CH1 as source
   } else {                          // Evaluation Board V3
      b->EnableTrigger(0, 1);           // lemo off, analog trigger on
      b->SetTriggerSource(0);           // use CH1 as source
   } 

So if you want CH1 && CH2, you look at the source code of SetTriggerSource. It contains

 

      // Set trigger configuration
   // OR  0=CH1, 1=CH2, 2=CH3, 3=CH4, 4=EXT
   // AND 8=CH1, 9=CH2, 10=CH3, 11=CH4, 12=EXT

 

So an AND between CH1 and CH2 needs a

    b->SetTriggerSource(1<<8 | 1<<9);

Your code looks interesting. Do you have a screenshot or can you explain what it does? 

  708   Mon Jul 16 19:39:35 2018 Woon-Seng ChoongEffect of interpolation on timing

Using a test pulse split into two channels of the DRS4 Evaluation Board v5, I looked at the time resolution using a leading edge threshold. The voltage and timing calibration was performed. One method (1) is to linearly interpolate between two points of the raw waveform that is above and below the threshold (this is exactly the algorithm given in read_binary.c in the drs4 source distribution); and another (2) is to use a cubic spline interpolation of the raw waveform. The results I obtained are:

Method 1: dt = 1.298 ns +/- 7.22 ps

Method 2: dt = 1.293 ns +/- 15.48 ps

I am really puzzled why the time resolution of the spline interpolation is about a factor 2 worse than the simple linear interpolation. Has anyone studied the time resolution using similar or other interpolation methods?

 

 

  709   Fri Jul 20 00:44:13 2018 Woon-Seng ChoongEffect of interpolation on timing

Just a follow-up update.

It turns out that I was using a cubic spline interpolation with smoothing. If I required the cubic spline to go through the sampled points, then I obtained similar time resolution as the simple linear interpolation.

 

Woon-Seng Choong wrote:

Using a test pulse split into two channels of the DRS4 Evaluation Board v5, I looked at the time resolution using a leading edge threshold. The voltage and timing calibration was performed. One method (1) is to linearly interpolate between two points of the raw waveform that is above and below the threshold (this is exactly the algorithm given in read_binary.c in the drs4 source distribution); and another (2) is to use a cubic spline interpolation of the raw waveform. The results I obtained are:

Method 1: dt = 1.298 ns +/- 7.22 ps

Method 2: dt = 1.293 ns +/- 15.48 ps

I am really puzzled why the time resolution of the spline interpolation is about a factor 2 worse than the simple linear interpolation. Has anyone studied the time resolution using similar or other interpolation methods?

 

 

 

  276   Tue Jul 23 22:31:08 2013 alonziEvaluation Board Behavior

Working with the DRS evaluation board we noticed some funny behavior: See attatchment 1. In about 1% of scope traces we see the first and last bin take on a value substantially different from the baseline, note the small spikes on the end of the traces. These spikes occur across all channels and either appear in all channels or in none. Attachment two shows what several thousand scope traces look like. You can clearly see that some of the traces are offset from the normal base line. Has anyone observed this behavior before? Any ideas?

see https://muon.npl.washington.edu/elog/g2/Detectors/550 for full discussion. 

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  277   Tue Jul 23 22:35:08 2013 Stefan RittEvaluation Board Behavior

alonzi wrote:

Working with the DRS evaluation board we noticed some funny behavior: See attatchment 1. In about 1% of scope traces we see the first and last bin take on a value substantially different from the baseline, note the small spikes on the end of the traces. These spikes occur across all channels and either appear in all channels or in none. Attachment two shows what several thousand scope traces look like. You can clearly see that some of the traces are offset from the normal base line. Has anyone observed this behavior before? Any ideas?

see https://muon.npl.washington.edu/elog/g2/Detectors/550 for full discussion. 

Actually the first and last sample are even more off the baseline, so I cut them out in software in the DRSOscilloscope. So actually the chip has only 1022 "usable" cells. It might happen in some rare cases that more cells are affected, although I have not yet seen this (maybe I did not look close enough). So I propose that you cut out one more bin at the beginning and the end, so a total of 1020 cells, and you should be fine.

/Stefan 

  278   Tue Jul 23 22:42:31 2013 alonziEvaluation Board Behavior

Stefan Ritt wrote:

alonzi wrote:

Working with the DRS evaluation board we noticed some funny behavior: See attatchment 1. In about 1% of scope traces we see the first and last bin take on a value substantially different from the baseline, note the small spikes on the end of the traces. These spikes occur across all channels and either appear in all channels or in none. Attachment two shows what several thousand scope traces look like. You can clearly see that some of the traces are offset from the normal base line. Has anyone observed this behavior before? Any ideas?

see https://muon.npl.washington.edu/elog/g2/Detectors/550 for full discussion. 

Actually the first and last sample are even more off the baseline, so I cut them out in software in the DRSOscilloscope. So actually the chip has only 1022 "usable" cells. It might happen in some rare cases that more cells are affected, although I have not yet seen this (maybe I did not look close enough). So I propose that you cut out one more bin at the beginning and the end, so a total of 1020 cells, and you should be fine.

/Stefan 

 Thanks for the quick reply. Our quick fix was to do just that. 

  279   Thu Jul 25 01:31:29 2013 Andrey KuznetsovEvaluation Board Behavior

alonzi wrote:

Stefan Ritt wrote:

alonzi wrote:

Working with the DRS evaluation board we noticed some funny behavior: See attatchment 1. In about 1% of scope traces we see the first and last bin take on a value substantially different from the baseline, note the small spikes on the end of the traces. These spikes occur across all channels and either appear in all channels or in none. Attachment two shows what several thousand scope traces look like. You can clearly see that some of the traces are offset from the normal base line. Has anyone observed this behavior before? Any ideas?

see https://muon.npl.washington.edu/elog/g2/Detectors/550 for full discussion. 

Actually the first and last sample are even more off the baseline, so I cut them out in software in the DRSOscilloscope. So actually the chip has only 1022 "usable" cells. It might happen in some rare cases that more cells are affected, although I have not yet seen this (maybe I did not look close enough). So I propose that you cut out one more bin at the beginning and the end, so a total of 1020 cells, and you should be fine.

/Stefan 

 Thanks for the quick reply. Our quick fix was to do just that. 

 We've encountered similar issues with board v2.0. Cell #2 across all channels would occasionally go full negative amplitude (0 I guess).

I don't remember if calibration fixed the problem, might have.

  761   Sat Jul 13 01:00:15 2019 Brendan PosehnEvaluation Board Test Functionality

Hello, 

I have recently obtained a DRS4 Evaluation Board (V5), but I am unable to register signals when using the DRS Oscilloscope application. There seems to be some difference in noise when I have an input connected to a signal or not, but I am unable to view a simple, 0.2V amplitude square wave or other small signals. The only way I have been able to view a waveform is when connecting the reference clock to all channels. When running 'info' in the DRS Command Line Interface I am shown correct information. I was wondering if there is any way for me to test the functionality of the board (specifially ability to read signals on Ch 1-4) to ensure that it is indeed working as expected? 

Thanks, 

Brendan

  762   Mon Jul 15 17:26:50 2019 Stefan RittEvaluation Board Test Functionality

Have you set the trigger correctly to the channel with your signal, polarity and level? Do you undersand the difference between normal and auto trigger? Why don't you post a screendump. Are you ABSOLUTELY SURE that you have a signal on your cable? Have you tried with another oscilloscope? Are you sure that your SMA connector is good?

Stefan

 

Brendan Posehn wrote:

Hello, 

I have recently obtained a DRS4 Evaluation Board (V5), but I am unable to register signals when using the DRS Oscilloscope application. There seems to be some difference in noise when I have an input connected to a signal or not, but I am unable to view a simple, 0.2V amplitude square wave or other small signals. The only way I have been able to view a waveform is when connecting the reference clock to all channels. When running 'info' in the DRS Command Line Interface I am shown correct information. I was wondering if there is any way for me to test the functionality of the board (specifially ability to read signals on Ch 1-4) to ensure that it is indeed working as expected? 

Thanks, 

Brendan

 

  763   Mon Jul 15 19:34:25 2019 Brendan PosehnEvaluation Board Test Functionality

Hello Stefan, 

Thanks for the quick reply. The issue was a faulty SMA connector, should have checked this first. Signal looks good now.

Thanks for your time, 

Brendan

Stefan Ritt wrote:

Have you set the trigger correctly to the channel with your signal, polarity and level? Do you undersand the difference between normal and auto trigger? Why don't you post a screendump. Are you ABSOLUTELY SURE that you have a signal on your cable? Have you tried with another oscilloscope? Are you sure that your SMA connector is good?

Stefan

 

Brendan Posehn wrote:

Hello, 

I have recently obtained a DRS4 Evaluation Board (V5), but I am unable to register signals when using the DRS Oscilloscope application. There seems to be some difference in noise when I have an input connected to a signal or not, but I am unable to view a simple, 0.2V amplitude square wave or other small signals. The only way I have been able to view a waveform is when connecting the reference clock to all channels. When running 'info' in the DRS Command Line Interface I am shown correct information. I was wondering if there is any way for me to test the functionality of the board (specifially ability to read signals on Ch 1-4) to ensure that it is indeed working as expected? 

Thanks, 

Brendan

 

 

  153   Wed Feb 15 18:08:13 2012 Yuji IwaiEvaluation Board v4 Trigger/Clock Connectors

Quick question - what type of connectors are used for the trigger and clock in/out on the v4 eval board?

  753   Thu Jun 20 01:36:48 2019 Andrew PeckEvaluation firmware wait_vdd state

Dear Stefan,

I am working with others at UCLA on a custom made board built around the DRS4. We are in the process of writing firmware so I am adapting the readout state machine from the evaluation board firmware.

I see in the state machine of the eval board firmware that after a trigger is received, the FPGA goes into the start readout state and then into "wait_vdd", where the FPGA waits "~120 us for vdd to stabilize" before reading out the ADC.

Our application is sensitive to deadtime and this wait_vdd state adds very significantly.  I am trying to find anything explaining the necessity of wait_vdd in the documentation / elog and have only found so far your old forum posting, https://elog.psi.ch/elogs/DRS4+Forum/12

Does this forum posting explain wait_vdd or is there a another purpose that I have missed?

If this post is relevant to wait_vdd, does the advice of large capacitance and an LDO with fast transient response still apply or are there any new recommendations?

Thank you,

Andrew Peck

  754   Fri Jun 21 12:54:47 2019 Stefan RittEvaluation firmware wait_vdd state

Dear Andrew,

the posting you mention is still accurate. Any power supply will drop when you start the Domino wave, no matter how big your capacitor is. Unfortunately the output signal of the DRS4 scales with VDD. So if your VDD drops by 40 mV and you get a trigger and you immediately start the readout, the output baseline will also be shifted by about 40 mV. If you are sensitive to dead time, you can remove the wait_vdd state completely, but then you have to deal with varying baseline shifts. If you have narrow signals sitting on a broad baseline, you can correct for this by measuring the baseline outside your signal, then subtracting it before integrating your pulse. If you have lots of pile-up in your signals, it might sometimes be hard to evaluate the baseline on an event-by-event basis.

Stefan

Andrew Peck wrote:

Dear Stefan,

I am working with others at UCLA on a custom made board built around the DRS4. We are in the process of writing firmware so I am adapting the readout state machine from the evaluation board firmware.

I see in the state machine of the eval board firmware that after a trigger is received, the FPGA goes into the start readout state and then into "wait_vdd", where the FPGA waits "~120 us for vdd to stabilize" before reading out the ADC.

Our application is sensitive to deadtime and this wait_vdd state adds very significantly.  I am trying to find anything explaining the necessity of wait_vdd in the documentation / elog and have only found so far your old forum posting, https://elog.psi.ch/elogs/DRS4+Forum/12

Does this forum posting explain wait_vdd or is there a another purpose that I have missed?

If this post is relevant to wait_vdd, does the advice of large capacitance and an LDO with fast transient response still apply or are there any new recommendations?

Thank you,

Andrew Peck

 

  755   Mon Jun 24 23:07:35 2019 Andrew PeckEvaluation firmware wait_vdd state

Dear Stefan, 

Thanks so much for clarifying this. We made wait_vdd a parameter controlled by software and will try to experiment with it to find some compromise between deadtime and the offset added by the droop in VDD. 

Best regards, 

Andrew

Stefan Ritt wrote:

Dear Andrew,

the posting you mention is still accurate. Any power supply will drop when you start the Domino wave, no matter how big your capacitor is. Unfortunately the output signal of the DRS4 scales with VDD. So if your VDD drops by 40 mV and you get a trigger and you immediately start the readout, the output baseline will also be shifted by about 40 mV. If you are sensitive to dead time, you can remove the wait_vdd state completely, but then you have to deal with varying baseline shifts. If you have narrow signals sitting on a broad baseline, you can correct for this by measuring the baseline outside your signal, then subtracting it before integrating your pulse. If you have lots of pile-up in your signals, it might sometimes be hard to evaluate the baseline on an event-by-event basis.

Stefan

Andrew Peck wrote:

Dear Stefan,

I am working with others at UCLA on a custom made board built around the DRS4. We are in the process of writing firmware so I am adapting the readout state machine from the evaluation board firmware.

I see in the state machine of the eval board firmware that after a trigger is received, the FPGA goes into the start readout state and then into "wait_vdd", where the FPGA waits "~120 us for vdd to stabilize" before reading out the ADC.

Our application is sensitive to deadtime and this wait_vdd state adds very significantly.  I am trying to find anything explaining the necessity of wait_vdd in the documentation / elog and have only found so far your old forum posting, https://elog.psi.ch/elogs/DRS4+Forum/12

Does this forum posting explain wait_vdd or is there a another purpose that I have missed?

If this post is relevant to wait_vdd, does the advice of large capacitance and an LDO with fast transient response still apply or are there any new recommendations?

Thank you,

Andrew Peck

 

 

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