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  67879   Tue May 5 12:05:47 2015 Reply Stefan Rittstefan.ritt@psi.chBug reportLinux3.1.0Re: Problem with autosave functionality when combined with no 'edit' button

I changed the code such that editing of draft messages is always possible, even if the "edit" command is not allowed otherwise. Update is in GIT. Please check if that works at ND280.

Thomas Lindner wrote:

We recently tried upgrading the ND280 elog instance to elog 3.1.0. [1] We seem to have some problems with this 'auto-save' functionality.  Specifically, it doesn't seem to play nice with the fact that we prefer to disable user's ability to edit old messages.  So we have (up to now), had the following set of commands specified in elogd.ccfg

Menu commands = List, New, Reply, Delete, Duplicate, Copy to, Move to, Find, Help

The problem is that we now get auto-saved messages, but no ability for the user to actually go back and finish the draft message.  You can see an example of this state in this test elog

http://neut17.triumf.ca:8080/demo/

Clicking on the draft message you can see that it can't be editted.  If you try to click 'new' then edit the draft, you get the message 'Error: Command "Edit" not allowed'.  So we had zombie draft messages, until we added the edit command back; but that defeats our preference that users not mess up old messages.

In general this auto-saving seems like a useful feature.  So the ideal solution for me would be to have some mode where users could edit/finish draft messages, but where we could still disable users from editting completed/finished messages.  Ie, where we can omit 'Edit' from the menu command, but still get auto-save.

A less ideal, but perhaps simpler solution would be that if an elog has omitted 'Edit' from the menu commands, then this auto-save/save functionality is disabled so that we don't get uneditable draft messages.

[1] https://midas.psi.ch/elogs/Forum/67855

 

  67878   Tue May 5 11:01:36 2015 Reply Andreas Luedekeandreas.luedeke@psi.chBug reportLinux3.1.0Re: Problem with autosave functionality when combined with no 'edit' button

Hi Thomas,

just my two cent: as a quick workaround (for now) you could restrict editing messages to a short time range, like 30 minutes. That would cover most cases of draft messages.
Restrict edit time = 0.5
 
But I agree that it probably makes no sense to limit the editing of draft messages: Stefan will probably fix this soon.
By the way Stefan: is there a way to disable the whole draft message feature?
If people are used to e.g. the lazarus addon for firefox, they might prefer their browser to keep their drafts confidential, instead of suffering from accidental premature draft postings ;-)
 
Thomas Lindner wrote:

We recently tried upgrading the ND280 elog instance to elog 3.1.0. [1] We seem to have some problems with this 'auto-save' functionality.  Specifically, it doesn't seem to play nice with the fact that we prefer to disable user's ability to edit old messages.  So we have (up to now), had the following set of commands specified in elogd.ccfg

Menu commands = List, New, Reply, Delete, Duplicate, Copy to, Move to, Find, Help

The problem is that we now get auto-saved messages, but no ability for the user to actually go back and finish the draft message.  You can see an example of this state in this test elog

http://neut17.triumf.ca:8080/demo/

Clicking on the draft message you can see that it can't be editted.  If you try to click 'new' then edit the draft, you get the message 'Error: Command "Edit" not allowed'.  So we had zombie draft messages, until we added the edit command back; but that defeats our preference that users not mess up old messages.

In general this auto-saving seems like a useful feature.  So the ideal solution for me would be to have some mode where users could edit/finish draft messages, but where we could still disable users from editting completed/finished messages.  Ie, where we can omit 'Edit' from the menu command, but still get auto-save.

A less ideal, but perhaps simpler solution would be that if an elog has omitted 'Edit' from the menu commands, then this auto-save/save functionality is disabled so that we don't get uneditable draft messages.

[1] https://midas.psi.ch/elogs/Forum/67855

 

  67877   Tue May 5 10:54:54 2015 Reply Andreas Luedekeandreas.luedeke@psi.chQuestionWindows3.1.0-3Re: Load attribute options from attributes in another logbook
> Hi again,
> Hope I'm not draining to much time from you guys !
> 
> here is the scenario (fake one just to understand the logic..):
> My main logbook as a Option attribute Called "Electrician availables" 
> My second logbook is a list of workers and there capacities Moptions : "Electrician", "Plumber", "Genius"
> 
> So my question is:
> 
> Is it possible to load my main logbook attribute "Electrician availables" Options based on all the "Electrician" found under my second logbook ?
> 
> Thanks :)

I think that this is neither possible nor reasonable. Of course everything is possible with shell- and java-scripting, but that would be a software
package on top of ELOG.
Keep in mind we are talking about an electronic logbook here, not about a relational database.

Cheers
Andreas
  67876   Tue May 5 09:22:23 2015 Reply Andreas Luedekeandreas.luedeke@psi.chQuestionWindowsV3.1.0-5beRe: Subst Attributes...
> Wow !!! Im impressed :):):) I didn't expect such a fast reply !!!
> 
> Thanks alot Stefan, I will try it right away !!
> 
> Andreas, I really like the idea of hiding attrib 1 and attrib2 and fill attrib3 with a script (I guess using elog.exe command line) ?
> I play a little with it and I can modify an attribute with the command line but I cant figure how to set the cell style based on the attrib2 and 
> replace attrib3 value with attrib1 value... (basically I need help !!!) do you think you could help me ?

The downside of a script is, that it needs to execute on the server: you need to have the proper syntax for the shell of your operating system.
Here's a little example for a bash shell script, just to give you an idea (that would be for Linux, I have no experience with Windows):

Allow HTML = 1
Attributes =  person, mood, color
Default encoding = 2
Options person = John, Bill, Kate
Options mood = calm, upset
Subst color = $shell(if [ "$mood" == "calm" ] ;then echo "green"; else echo "red";fi)
Change person = <font color="$color">$person</font>
List Change person = <font color="$color">$person</font>
Show Attributes = person, mood
Show Attributes Edit = person, mood
List display = ID, Date, person


Disclaimer: When I've tested it locally the HTML was displayed as source. Stefan, any idea? (ELOG V3.1.0-5be245e)
  67875   Tue May 5 07:33:50 2015 Angy Thomas Lindnerlindner@triumf.caBug reportLinux3.1.0Problem with autosave functionality when combined with no 'edit' button

We recently tried upgrading the ND280 elog instance to elog 3.1.0. [1] We seem to have some problems with this 'auto-save' functionality.  Specifically, it doesn't seem to play nice with the fact that we prefer to disable user's ability to edit old messages.  So we have (up to now), had the following set of commands specified in elogd.ccfg

Menu commands = List, New, Reply, Delete, Duplicate, Copy to, Move to, Find, Help

The problem is that we now get auto-saved messages, but no ability for the user to actually go back and finish the draft message.  You can see an example of this state in this test elog

http://neut17.triumf.ca:8080/demo/

Clicking on the draft message you can see that it can't be editted.  If you try to click 'new' then edit the draft, you get the message 'Error: Command "Edit" not allowed'.  So we had zombie draft messages, until we added the edit command back; but that defeats our preference that users not mess up old messages.

In general this auto-saving seems like a useful feature.  So the ideal solution for me would be to have some mode where users could edit/finish draft messages, but where we could still disable users from editting completed/finished messages.  Ie, where we can omit 'Edit' from the menu command, but still get auto-save.

A less ideal, but perhaps simpler solution would be that if an elog has omitted 'Edit' from the menu commands, then this auto-save/save functionality is disabled so that we don't get uneditable draft messages.

[1] https://midas.psi.ch/elogs/Forum/67855

  67874   Mon May 4 22:28:37 2015 Question Francois CloutierFrancois@fcmail.caQuestionWindows3.1.0-3Load attribute options from attributes in another logbook
Hi again,
Hope I'm not draining to much time from you guys !

here is the scenario (fake one just to understand the logic..):
My main logbook as a Option attribute Called "Electrician availables" 
My second logbook is a list of workers and there capacities Moptions : "Electrician", "Plumber", "Genius"

So my question is:

Is it possible to load my main logbook attribute "Electrician availables" Options based on all the "Electrician" found under my second logbook ?

Thanks :)
  67872   Mon May 4 16:03:19 2015 Cool Francois CloutierFrancois@fcmail.caQuestionWindowsV3.1.0-5beRe: Subst Attributes...
Wow !!! Im impressed :):):) I didn't expect such a fast reply !!!

Thanks alot Stefan, I will try it right away !!

Andreas, I really like the idea of hiding attrib 1 and attrib2 and fill attrib3 with a script (I guess using elog.exe command line) ?
I play a little with it and I can modify an attribute with the command line but I cant figure how to set the cell style based on the attrib2 and 
replace attrib3 value with attrib1 value... (basicially I need help !!!) do you think you could help me ?
  67871   Mon May 4 15:44:07 2015 Reply Stefan Rittstefan.ritt@psi.chQuestionWindowsV3.1.0-5beRe: Subst Attributes...

Indeed there was a bug when you have "Show Text = 0". I fixed that in the current GIT version. I also hide the "Preview" button if "Show text = 0" since it really makes no sense there. I made a Windows Patch 3.1.0-3 which  ontains this fix.

Francois Cloutier wrote:

-When using "Show Text = 0" (i'm only using attributes), creating a new entry present the menu "Submit", "Save", "Preview" and "Back".... Pressing "Save" leaves the page, shows "OK with a number" and "Preview" is useless. Is it possible to tune what button should be present or not ? I would like to remove Save and Preview....

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