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  67165   Wed Jan 25 10:50:43 2012 Cool Andreas Luedekeandreas.luedeke@psi.chCommentAll2.9.0Re: problems with https in Chrome and IE

Christian Herzog wrote:

[...] we're evaluating elog right now at the Physics Department of ETH Zurich and I'm trying to come up with a good config. One of the first steps of course was to enable SSL/https. With http, all tested browsers work fine, but with https at least Google Chrome 16 and IE 9 do not get past the "unknown certificate" warning and I see "TCP connection broken" errors in the log file. Firefox however works fine. Same behavior on Linux, Mac and Windows (given the browser in question is available). elog server is running on Lucid.[...]

 
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If you want to use https you should know what a certificate is.
Certificates are used to encript the data, but at the same time they are used to identify the host.
ELOG is delivered with a self generated certificate.
This can be used to encript the data, but no certification authority knows this certificate, so nobody can guaratee that you are connected to the right host.
Most browsers will warn you, that nobody did and if you don't care you need to change the security settings of you browser to accept the connection anyway.
 
The proper way out of this is to buy a certificate from a certification authority. Or to switch off https. (See https://midas.psi.ch/elog/config.html#global SSL option)
  67167   Wed Jan 25 14:48:36 2012 Reply Andreas Luedekeandreas.luedeke@psi.chCommentAll2.9.0Re: problems with https in Chrome and IE

Christian Herzog wrote:

Andreas Luedeke wrote:

Christian Herzog wrote:
[...] we're evaluating elog right now at the Physics Department of ETH Zurich and I'm trying to come up with a good config. One of the first steps of course was to enable SSL/https. With http, all tested browsers work fine, but with https at least Google Chrome 16 and IE 9 do not get past the "unknown certificate" warning and I see "TCP connection broken" errors in the log file. Firefox however works fine. Same behavior on Linux, Mac and Windows (given the browser in question is available). elog server is running on Lucid.[...]

 
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[...] The proper way out of this is to buy a certificate from a certification authority. Or to switch off https. (See https://midas.psi.ch/elog/config.html#global SSL option)

we know about certificates, thank you 
The point is that it stops AFTER the point at which I tell the browser to accept the self-signed certificates. I now even got a CACert and the problem remains: FF works, Chrome and IE don't: https://phd-bkp-gw2.ethz.ch:8080/admin/
log says: TCP connection broken [...]

 
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Sorry that I was mis-interpreting your question
Unfortunately I don't know what's wrong with your set-up. I can confirm that I cannot access your logbook with "konquerer", but can access it with "firefox". The "konquerer" (on Scientific Linux 5.7) just gets timed out.
But I can access other SSL/https ELOGs with the konquerer. The problem only occurs with your logbook!
Therefore I would think it is a particular problem of your installation. I have three ideas how to isolate the problem:
  • first, I would try to change to the standard port 443. Just in case it is related to some firewall, etc. problem.
  • second, I would try another operating system than Ubuntu Lucid. It should work of course with Ubuntu, but if it still doesn't work with the other operating system then many things are already ruled out.
  • third, I would try to set-up an apache webserver in front of ELOG. We have it here just for safety reasons. ELOG runs then on some special port and apache connects to it with a reverse proxy.
The latter is a little bit of work (about a day) if you never set-up apache before. Therefore I would try the other two, first.
Good luck!

 

  67169   Wed Jan 25 15:26:04 2012 Reply Andreas Luedekeandreas.luedeke@psi.chCommentLinux2.9.0Re: problems with https in Chrome and IE

Christian Herzog wrote:

Andreas Luedeke wrote:

Christian Herzog wrote:

Andreas Luedeke wrote:

Christian Herzog wrote:
[...] we're evaluating elog right now at the Physics Department of ETH Zurich and I'm trying to come up with a good config. One of the first steps of course was to enable SSL/https. With http, all tested browsers work fine, but with https at least Google Chrome 16 and IE 9 do not get past the "unknown certificate" warning and I see "TCP connection broken" errors in the log file. Firefox however works fine. Same behavior on Linux, Mac and Windows (given the browser in question is available). elog server is running on Lucid.[...

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 [...] The proper way out of this is to buy a certificate from a certification authority. Or to switch off https. (See https://midas.psi.ch/elog/config.html#global SSL option)

we know about certificates, thank you 
The point is that it stops AFTER the point at which I tell the browser to accept the self-signed certificates. I now even got a CACert and the problem remains: FF works, Chrome and IE don't: https://phd-bkp-gw2.ethz.ch:8080/admin/
log says: TCP connection broken [...]

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Sorry that I was mis-interpreting your question
Unfortunately I don't know what's wrong with your set-up. I can confirm that I cannot access your logbook with "konquerer", but can access it with "firefox". The "konquerer" (on Scientific Linux 5.7) just gets timed out.
But I can access other SSL/https ELOGs with the konquerer. The problem only occurs with your logbook!
Therefore I would think it is a particular problem of your installation. I have three ideas how to isolate the problem:
  • first, I would try to change to the standard port 443. Just in case it is related to some firewall, etc. problem.
  • second, I would try another operating system than Ubuntu Lucid. It should work of course with Ubuntu, but if it still doesn't work with the other operating system then many things are already ruled out.
  • third, I would try to set-up an apache webserver in front of ELOG. We have it here just for safety reasons. ELOG runs then on some special port and apache connects to it with a reverse proxy.
The latter is a little bit of work (about a day) if you never set-up apache before. Therefore I would try the other two, first.
Good luck!

thanks for the fast resonse.
1) port 433 done. No change
2) compiled elog 2.9.0 on Squeeze and only reused the config file. No change: https://daduke.org:8443/
3) we can do that (and we will) no problem, but I'd like to get it working w/o apache nonetheless
speaking of reverse proxy: we'd like to hook elog to our LDAP server. As there's no LDAP binding built in, is there any way to use apache LDAP auth and then bind to that one?[...]

Okay, I did run out of ideas. I've never tested Chrome, but IE 8 and konquerer works fine here with SSL for our logbooks, but not for your logbook.

Regarding LDAP: you'll either need to convince Stefan Ritt or do it yourself ;-) Stefan did last year a kerberos binding for me: I was lucky that many other people had already asked for the same thing before me.

 
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  67173   Wed Jan 25 16:05:13 2012 Reply Andreas Luedekeandreas.luedeke@psi.chCommentLinux2.9.0Re: problems with https in Chrome and IE

Christian Herzog wrote:

Andreas Luedeke wrote:

Christian Herzog wrote:

Andreas Luedeke wrote:

Christian Herzog wrote:

Andreas Luedeke wrote:

Christian Herzog wrote:
[...] we're evaluating elog right now at the Physics Department of ETH Zurich and I'm trying to come up with a good config. One of the first steps of course was to enable SSL/https. With http, all tested browsers work fine, but with https at least Google Chrome 16 and IE 9 do not get past the "unknown certificate" warning and I see "TCP connection broken" errors in the log file. Firefox however works fine. Same behavior on Linux, Mac and Windows (given the browser in question is available). elog server is running on Lucid.[...

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 [...] The proper way out of this is to buy a certificate from a certification authority. Or to switch off https. (See https://midas.psi.ch/elog/config.html#global SSL option)

we know about certificates, thank you 
The point is that it stops AFTER the point at which I tell the browser to accept the self-signed certificates. I now even got a CACert and the problem remains: FF works, Chrome and IE don't: https://phd-bkp-gw2.ethz.ch:8080/admin/
log says: TCP connection broken [...]

Detect language » English
 
Sorry that I was mis-interpreting your question
Unfortunately I don't know what's wrong with your set-up. I can confirm that I cannot access your logbook with "konquerer", but can access it with "firefox". The "konquerer" (on Scientific Linux 5.7) just gets timed out.
But I can access other SSL/https ELOGs with the konquerer. The problem only occurs with your logbook!
Therefore I would think it is a particular problem of your installation. I have three ideas how to isolate the problem:
  • first, I would try to change to the standard port 443. Just in case it is related to some firewall, etc. problem.
  • second, I would try another operating system than Ubuntu Lucid. It should work of course with Ubuntu, but if it still doesn't work with the other operating system then many things are already ruled out.
  • third, I would try to set-up an apache webserver in front of ELOG. We have it here just for safety reasons. ELOG runs then on some special port and apache connects to it with a reverse proxy.
The latter is a little bit of work (about a day) if you never set-up apache before. Therefore I would try the other two, first.
Good luck!

thanks for the fast resonse.
1) port 433 done. No change
2) compiled elog 2.9.0 on Squeeze and only reused the config file. No change: https://daduke.org:8443/
3) we can do that (and we will) no problem, but I'd like to get it working w/o apache nonetheless
speaking of reverse proxy: we'd like to hook elog to our LDAP server. As there's no LDAP binding built in, is there any way to use apache LDAP auth and then bind to that one?[...]

Okay, I did run out of ideas. I've never tested Chrome, but IE 8 and konquerer works fine here with SSL for our logbooks, but not for your logbook. [...]

 
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[...]

And just for the record: I have to conclude a clean install of elog 2.9.0 SSL does not work for half of the browsers out there on Debian Squeeze or Ubuntu Lucid right now. You might want to look into that.

thanks,

-Christian

 

Excuse me, but I beg to differ. I'm running ELOG V2.9.0-2425 on my production server, therefore I thought that you're maybe right that the latest SVN snapshot has a problem.

I've downloaded it just now from SVN (it is V2.9.0- 2427), compiled it on SL 5.7, installed it and I can easily access it with IE8, Safari, konquerer and firefox.

 
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  67184   Sat Feb 11 05:43:33 2012 Reply Andreas Luedekeandreas.luedeke@psi.chBug fixLinux | Windows2.9.0Re: ssl problems

John Doroshenko wrote:

Olaf Kasten wrote:

 Hi there,

I have a connection problem with an actual elog installation. Many Browsers like as Chrome, Firefox and IE don't  connect to the elog server with ssl = 1 in elogd.cfg. 

I tested with Firefox 3.6 and IE 7 installations and there are no problems.

I guess it's a bug. Does someone have a suggestion to solve that problem?

Thx. Olaf

 Hi!

This just started happening here also.  Some users can't get on to a SSL=1 config'd elog using either IE or firefox 10 (win7 or linux) or chrome.  SAFARI works.  Occurs in 2.8.0 and a newly built (even after

ssl yum updates) 2.9.0 version on SL5.5 system.  Seems to accept self signed cert then nothing.. (connection reset message).   Tried an stunnel from one port to port running elog

with SSL=0.  Same behavior.  Doesn't work on some browsers.  Any clues?

Thanks,

-John

Hi everyone,
it appears that many people have this problem. I believe this is simply a problem of your firewall settings. There are two simple checks you can do to test if I'm right or wrong:
  • Run your logbook on the standard port 443 and retry. If the special port has been opened on the firewall, it has been likely only opened for specific clients like firefox 3.6, IE 7, etc. If you use a different client (FF 10, IE 9) the port can be blocked.
  • Or just run the browser that does not work on the ELOG server. If it works to access ELOG via localhost, then you know for sure that it is the firewall.
I've actually tested it here at my institute: I've downloaded firefox 10 and could access ELOG on port 443 but couldn't access it on port 444, unless I've started FF10 on the ELOG host.
To John, Olaf and Christian: If you need to be able to use a special port and a certain set of browsers then just contact your computing division or whoever maintains your firewalls.
 
I hope this settles the matter.
Cheers
Andreas
 
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PS: I've solved this with the help of google  : have a look at http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=2295421#2295421 about firewalls

  67185   Sat Feb 11 05:47:27 2012 Reply Andreas Luedekeandreas.luedeke@psi.chCommentLinux2.9.0Re: problems with https in Chrome and IE

Christian Herzog wrote:

Christian Herzog wrote:

Andreas Luedeke wrote:

Christian Herzog wrote:

Andreas Luedeke wrote:

Christian Herzog wrote:

Andreas Luedeke wrote:

Christian Herzog wrote:

Andreas Luedeke wrote:

Christian Herzog wrote:
[...] we're evaluating elog right now at the Physics Department of ETH Zurich and I'm trying to come up with a good config. One of the first steps of course was to enable SSL/https. With http, all tested browsers work fine, but with https at least Google Chrome 16 and IE 9 do not get past the "unknown certificate" warning and I see "TCP connection broken" errors in the log file. Firefox however works fine. Same behavior on Linux, Mac and Windows (given the browser in question is available). elog server is running on Lucid.[...

Detect language » English
 
 [...] The proper way out of this is to buy a certificate from a certification authority. Or to switch off https. (See https://midas.psi.ch/elog/config.html#global SSL option)

we know about certificates, thank you 
The point is that it stops AFTER the point at which I tell the browser to accept the self-signed certificates. I now even got a CACert and the problem remains: FF works, Chrome and IE don't: https://phd-bkp-gw2.ethz.ch:8080/admin/
log says: TCP connection broken [...]

Detect language » English
 
Sorry that I was mis-interpreting your question
Unfortunately I don't know what's wrong with your set-up. I can confirm that I cannot access your logbook with "konquerer", but can access it with "firefox". The "konquerer" (on Scientific Linux 5.7) just gets timed out.
But I can access other SSL/https ELOGs with the konquerer. The problem only occurs with your logbook!
Therefore I would think it is a particular problem of your installation. I have three ideas how to isolate the problem:
  • first, I would try to change to the standard port 443. Just in case it is related to some firewall, etc. problem.
  • second, I would try another operating system than Ubuntu Lucid. It should work of course with Ubuntu, but if it still doesn't work with the other operating system then many things are already ruled out.
  • third, I would try to set-up an apache webserver in front of ELOG. We have it here just for safety reasons. ELOG runs then on some special port and apache connects to it with a reverse proxy.
The latter is a little bit of work (about a day) if you never set-up apache before. Therefore I would try the other two, first.
Good luck!

thanks for the fast resonse.
1) port 433 done. No change
2) compiled elog 2.9.0 on Squeeze and only reused the config file. No change: https://daduke.org:8443/
3) we can do that (and we will) no problem, but I'd like to get it working w/o apache nonetheless
speaking of reverse proxy: we'd like to hook elog to our LDAP server. As there's no LDAP binding built in, is there any way to use apache LDAP auth and then bind to that one?[...]

Okay, I did run out of ideas. I've never tested Chrome, but IE 8 and konquerer works fine here with SSL for our logbooks, but not for your logbook. [...]

 
Detect language » English
 

[...]

And just for the record: I have to conclude a clean install of elog 2.9.0 SSL does not work for half of the browsers out there on Debian Squeeze or Ubuntu Lucid right now. You might want to look into that.

thanks,

-Christian

 

Excuse me, but I beg to differ. I'm running ELOG V2.9.0-2425 on my production server, therefore I thought that you're maybe right that the latest SVN snapshot has a problem.

I've downloaded it just now from SVN (it is V2.9.0- 2427), compiled it on SL 5.7, installed it and I can easily access it with IE8, Safari, konquerer and firefox.

 
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 well maybe SL 5.7 is the explanation - it's old as the hills. Maybe newer versions of libssl or whatever make a difference? I might also try on a recent Fedora, let's see..

 

 update: clean install on F16, plain vanilla, same problem: TCP connection broken

See https://midas.psi.ch/elogs/Forum/67184 to fix that problem. It is likely not a problem of ELOG, but of your firewall settings.

 
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  67188   Sat Feb 11 22:19:07 2012 Reply Andreas Luedekeandreas.luedeke@psi.chBug fixLinux | Windows2.9.0Re: ssl problems

Christian Herzog wrote:

Andreas Luedeke wrote:

 
[...]

Hi everyone,
it appears that many people have this problem. I believe this is simply a problem of your firewall settings. There are two simple checks you can do to test if I'm right or wrong:
  • Run your logbook on the standard port 443 and retry. If the special port has been opened on the firewall, it has been likely only opened for specific clients like firefox 3.6, IE 7, etc. If you use a different client (FF 10, IE 9) the port can be blocked.
  • Or just run the browser that does not work on the ELOG server. If it works to access ELOG via localhost, then you know for sure that it is the firewall.
I've actually tested it here at my institute: I've downloaded firefox 10 and could access ELOG on port 443 but couldn't access it on port 444, unless I've started FF10 on the ELOG host.
To John, Olaf and Christian: If you need to be able to use a special port and a certain set of browsers then just contact your computing division or whoever maintains your firewalls.
[...]

[...] it is NOT the firewall. First off, I don't use a firewall. 2. I AM our computing division. 3. if it were the firewall blocking the access, why do I see "TCP connection broken" in the elog log file? 4. it's not working on port 443 either.
Something's flaky in elog's https implementation. For me it's not a big deal any more, as I use an apache reverse proxy in production now anyway, but other people may not. [...]

 
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Just for curiosity: did you try to start the non-working web-browser locally on the server?

  67190   Sat Feb 11 22:37:34 2012 Reply Andreas Luedekeandreas.luedeke@psi.chBug fixLinux | Windows2.9.0Re: ssl problems
> well it's not a server but my laptop, but yeah, the elog server and the browser ran on the same machine, no iptables.

Strange: I thought I was able to reproduce your problem, but no: whatever browser I try I can access ELOG with SSL if
browser and ELOG are running on the same host. Same as you: clean install but no problem occurs. I haven't tried on a
newer operating system yet. Still I tend to believe that it would not reproduce your problem. Maybe I'll try at home
with ubuntu. Let's first wait what the other two report: if those problems are not related to firewall issues, Stefan
will likely see into it anyway.
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