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    icon2.gif   Re: Strange browser behaviour with chrome?, posted by Andreas Luedeke on Wed Apr 1 18:39:14 2015 

Proof of principle ;-)

icon5.gif   elogd lost entry database without restart during file system trouble, posted by Andreas Luedeke on Thu Apr 30 09:54:17 2015 
I'm running ELOG since several years with rather heavy usage.
Last week I've upgrades from 3.0.0 to 3.1.0 and this week I had twice the same problem:
elogd lost the index for old entries and showed empty logbooks, without having restarted.
The logbooks appeared to be empty; new entries started with index "1".
The first time the origin of the problem were network troubles;
the second time it had been caused by a severe problem of our AFS file system service.
I never experienced this consequence for ELOG in the past when we had AFS problems.

Since the logbooks are used for the operation log of a user facility they continued to do new entries.
The next day I had to re-number the new entries and restart elogd and everything was fine.

I could understand if elogd crashes when the filesystem of the logbook goes away.
And when it restarts with an (temporarily) empty filesystem, that would explain what happened.
But it did not restart and the log file does not contain any information about any problem, 
just that suddenly all new entries in each logbook started with ID "1" again.

Stefan, any idea?
Anyone else ever experienced that with the new ELOG version (or older ones)?
    icon2.gif   Re: Subst Attributes..., posted by Andreas Luedeke on Mon May 4 13:23:55 2015 
Hi Francois,
welcome to the community! I'll try to answer your questions inline (Numbering them would have been a good idea ;-):

- I'm creating a logbook with a lot of attributes. I would like to know if there is a way to name (display) my attribute differently then it's original name. That way I could program $attrib1; $attrib2, etc, and map a name to display the column accordingly... Is it something possible ? 

Not to my knowledge. But you can add comments like:
Comment <attribute> = <comment>
Tooltip <attribute> = <comment>

-Is it possible to hide the field "Entry Time" when creating or editing an entry ?

You can supress the display of the entry time in different views using:
Show Attributes = <list>
Show Attributes Edit = <list>
But the entry time will always be stored with the entry.

-I saw the Cell Style fonction to set Color (really nice...), My attribute1 is a worker name; Attribute2 is how the work is going on (stop, ready, in process) I would like to hide Atribute2 in list mode but change Attribute1 cell color based on Attribute2 status... is it possible to do so?

No, that is not possible as far as I see from the documentation. Cell styles can only be set according to the content of the specific cell.
But you could hide attribute1 and attribute2 and then generate an attribute3 with the help of a shell script, and the style of that cell could be created by the shell script depending on attribute2.

-When using "Show Text = 0" (i'm only using attributes), creating a new entry present the menu "Submit", "Save", "Preview" and "Back".... Pressing "Save" leaves the page, shows "OK with a number" and "Preview" is useless. Is it possible to tune what button should be present or not ? I would like to remove Save and Preview....

As far as I know the display of these buttons cannot be configured.

 

Cheers
Andreas
    icon2.gif   Re: Subst Attributes..., posted by Andreas Luedeke on Tue May 5 09:22:23 2015 
> Wow !!! Im impressed :):):) I didn't expect such a fast reply !!!
> 
> Thanks alot Stefan, I will try it right away !!
> 
> Andreas, I really like the idea of hiding attrib 1 and attrib2 and fill attrib3 with a script (I guess using elog.exe command line) ?
> I play a little with it and I can modify an attribute with the command line but I cant figure how to set the cell style based on the attrib2 and 
> replace attrib3 value with attrib1 value... (basically I need help !!!) do you think you could help me ?

The downside of a script is, that it needs to execute on the server: you need to have the proper syntax for the shell of your operating system.
Here's a little example for a bash shell script, just to give you an idea (that would be for Linux, I have no experience with Windows):

Allow HTML = 1
Attributes =  person, mood, color
Default encoding = 2
Options person = John, Bill, Kate
Options mood = calm, upset
Subst color = $shell(if [ "$mood" == "calm" ] ;then echo "green"; else echo "red";fi)
Change person = <font color="$color">$person</font>
List Change person = <font color="$color">$person</font>
Show Attributes = person, mood
Show Attributes Edit = person, mood
List display = ID, Date, person


Disclaimer: When I've tested it locally the HTML was displayed as source. Stefan, any idea? (ELOG V3.1.0-5be245e)
    icon2.gif   Re: Load attribute options from attributes in another logbook, posted by Andreas Luedeke on Tue May 5 10:54:54 2015 
> Hi again,
> Hope I'm not draining to much time from you guys !
> 
> here is the scenario (fake one just to understand the logic..):
> My main logbook as a Option attribute Called "Electrician availables" 
> My second logbook is a list of workers and there capacities Moptions : "Electrician", "Plumber", "Genius"
> 
> So my question is:
> 
> Is it possible to load my main logbook attribute "Electrician availables" Options based on all the "Electrician" found under my second logbook ?
> 
> Thanks :)

I think that this is neither possible nor reasonable. Of course everything is possible with shell- and java-scripting, but that would be a software
package on top of ELOG.
Keep in mind we are talking about an electronic logbook here, not about a relational database.

Cheers
Andreas
    icon2.gif   Re: Problem with autosave functionality when combined with no 'edit' button, posted by Andreas Luedeke on Tue May 5 11:01:36 2015 

Hi Thomas,

just my two cent: as a quick workaround (for now) you could restrict editing messages to a short time range, like 30 minutes. That would cover most cases of draft messages.
Restrict edit time = 0.5
 
But I agree that it probably makes no sense to limit the editing of draft messages: Stefan will probably fix this soon.
By the way Stefan: is there a way to disable the whole draft message feature?
If people are used to e.g. the lazarus addon for firefox, they might prefer their browser to keep their drafts confidential, instead of suffering from accidental premature draft postings ;-)
 
Thomas Lindner wrote:

We recently tried upgrading the ND280 elog instance to elog 3.1.0. [1] We seem to have some problems with this 'auto-save' functionality.  Specifically, it doesn't seem to play nice with the fact that we prefer to disable user's ability to edit old messages.  So we have (up to now), had the following set of commands specified in elogd.ccfg

Menu commands = List, New, Reply, Delete, Duplicate, Copy to, Move to, Find, Help

The problem is that we now get auto-saved messages, but no ability for the user to actually go back and finish the draft message.  You can see an example of this state in this test elog

http://neut17.triumf.ca:8080/demo/

Clicking on the draft message you can see that it can't be editted.  If you try to click 'new' then edit the draft, you get the message 'Error: Command "Edit" not allowed'.  So we had zombie draft messages, until we added the edit command back; but that defeats our preference that users not mess up old messages.

In general this auto-saving seems like a useful feature.  So the ideal solution for me would be to have some mode where users could edit/finish draft messages, but where we could still disable users from editting completed/finished messages.  Ie, where we can omit 'Edit' from the menu command, but still get auto-save.

A less ideal, but perhaps simpler solution would be that if an elog has omitted 'Edit' from the menu commands, then this auto-save/save functionality is disabled so that we don't get uneditable draft messages.

[1] https://midas.psi.ch/elogs/Forum/67855

 

    icon14.gif   Re: Problem with autosave functionality when combined with no 'edit' button, posted by Andreas Luedeke on Tue May 5 12:17:24 2015 

Oups, now I feel almost a little bit sorry for asking surprise    But thank you anyway!!! wink

You should see it that way: there are millions of possible applications for a smart electronic logbook like ELOG, and most possible combinations of flags and options will make sense for some of them smiley

Stefan Ritt wrote:

Arghhhh! Guess how many people asked me for the autosave feature! I worked really hard on it (including an airplane flight to Japan!), not the next guy comes "can we disable that feature?". angry

I agree that this feature has many side effects, and I have to adress one by one, but in the end the community will benefit. Think of starting a draft at one computer, and finishing at another one. Lazarus won't help you there.

Nevertheless crying, I added a "Save drafts" which you can set to zero. But I would rather prefer if people tell me their problems, and I fix them, instead of siletnly just disabling this feature and keeping the bugs there unresolved.

Andreas Luedeke wrote:

By the way Stefan: is there a way to disable the whole draft message feature?

If people are used to e.g. the lazarus addon for firefox, they might prefer their browser to keep their drafts confidential, instead of suffering from accidental premature draft postings ;-)

 

 

    icon2.gif   Re: Preloading Options or Moptions from a text file or CSV, posted by Andreas Luedeke on Mon May 11 22:42:44 2015 
> > > Title says all :)
> > > 
> > > Is it possible to preload Options or Moptions from a text file or CSV instead of being load from the elogd.conf ?
> > > 
> 
> So basically, I have a list of 5-10 workers. I'll have to choose one for each entry I make into the logbook. But these workers will change from time to time 
> (students) and I don't want the staff to manipulate the config file manually..("Extendable options" is not an option as I will get to many "Darth Vader" entry for 
> sure..)
> 
> I asked if I could populate that option box from another logbook attribute and Andreas told me only possible via external scripts. 
> https://midas.psi.ch/elogs/Forum/67877

Hi Francois. 
if those worker lists do change rather infrequently, then I would have an idea how to do it:

You could have an application that updates the Options or MOptions lists in the elogd.cfg file at midnight, 
and in case they actually did change the application restarts the elogd process afterwards.

I use such a mechanism to update my user list from our companies LDAP service every second Monday of a month at midnight.
This avoids misspelled user names or wrong email addresses and takes care that all employees (~2000) can log-in to our ELOG.
The passwords are handled anyway by kerberos authentication.

But I admit that it would be a cool feature to have "includes" in the configuration file for dynamic data sources. 
Shell scripts of course are useless for "Option" definitions: they would only be executed at start-up anyway,
and that can be accomplished as well by the above mentioned automatic changes to the config file.

Kind Regards
Andreas
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