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  68445   Wed Oct 26 22:15:46 2016 Reply David PilgramDavid.Pilgram@epost.org.ukQuestionWindows3.1.2Re: Datetime format with elog client

Hi Alan,

I have no idea if this helps but the Date and Time formats in the config file internally interconnect, as I discovered in trying to define them separately.  Define one, and the other is defined.

I only mention this as I spent some hours trying to sort out the issue, only to learn it was a "feature" that Stefan didn't want to correct as it may affect too many others.  I can understand that, and made a different solution to what I wanted to do.

Alan Grant wrote:

UPDATE:

As I continue to test and troubleshoot this problem I noticed something peculiar: the Datetime defined field that the client is rejecting when I attempt a record insert is listed as a Required attribute. However, when I just remove it from the Required list the record including the epoch time is inserted without any problems.

I am now unsure if my configuration is deficient somewhere, vs a problem with the client program code.

Alan Grant wrote:

What is the input format expected by the elog client for a required Datetime defined field when inserting a record? (Eg: October 26, 2016 = ? in the field's data parameter).

I have read some prior posts on this and the indication is that the input needs to use epoch time, however even when I enter 1477493161 or 0 the client still flags the variable data as missing. If this is in fact the format I shoud be using then I can provide a sample input and output message to illustrate my problem.

 

 

 

  68446   Thu Oct 27 04:16:10 2016 Reply Alan Grantagrant@winnipeg.caQuestionWindows3.1.2Re: Datetime format with elog client

I really appreciate your reply David.

There's only one Datetime defined field that I'm working with so I'm not sure what you mean, if you don't mind elaborating? It sounds interesting.

The only thing I gather right now from what you're saying is that there's essentially two locations where a field can be defined - in the Config file, or via the format of the data itself in the client command - but I could be wrong. 

David Pilgram wrote:

Hi Alan,

I have no idea if this helps but the Date and Time formats in the config file internally interconnect, as I discovered in trying to define them separately.  Define one, and the other is defined.

I only mention this as I spent some hours trying to sort out the issue, only to learn it was a "feature" that Stefan didn't want to correct as it may affect too many others.  I can understand that, and made a different solution to what I wanted to do.

Alan Grant wrote:

UPDATE:

As I continue to test and troubleshoot this problem I noticed something peculiar: the Datetime defined field that the client is rejecting when I attempt a record insert is listed as a Required attribute. However, when I just remove it from the Required list the record including the epoch time is inserted without any problems.

I am now unsure if my configuration is deficient somewhere, vs a problem with the client program code.

Alan Grant wrote:

What is the input format expected by the elog client for a required Datetime defined field when inserting a record? (Eg: October 26, 2016 = ? in the field's data parameter).

I have read some prior posts on this and the indication is that the input needs to use epoch time, however even when I enter 1477493161 or 0 the client still flags the variable data as missing. If this is in fact the format I shoud be using then I can provide a sample input and output message to illustrate my problem.

 

 

 

 

  68447   Thu Oct 27 11:18:17 2016 Reply Andreas Luedekeandreas.luedeke@psi.chQuestionWindows3.1.2Re: Datetime format with elog client

Yes, this is a known bug of ELOG, see elog:68404

Alan Grant wrote:

UPDATE:

As I continue to test and troubleshoot this problem I noticed something peculiar: the Datetime defined field that the client is rejecting when I attempt a record insert is listed as a Required attribute. However, when I just remove it from the Required list the record including the epoch time is inserted without any problems.

I am now unsure if my configuration is deficient somewhere, vs a problem with the client program code.

Alan Grant wrote:

What is the input format expected by the elog client for a required Datetime defined field when inserting a record? (Eg: October 26, 2016 = ? in the field's data parameter).

I have read some prior posts on this and the indication is that the input needs to use epoch time, however even when I enter 1477493161 or 0 the client still flags the variable data as missing. If this is in fact the format I shoud be using then I can provide a sample input and output message to illustrate my problem.

 

 

 

  68450   Mon Oct 31 09:51:02 2016 Question Peter Kpkravt@gmail.comQuestionWindows3.1.2Error starting elog 3.1.2 on Windows server

Hi,

I'm trying to upgrade ELOG 2.9.2, which I have been used many years, to the new version (3.1.2).

I can't run the new version even from the command line:

c:\Program Files (x86)\ELOG1>"c:\Program Files (x86)\ELOG1\elogd" -c "c:\Program Files (x86)\ELOG1\elogd.cfg"
Access is denied.

Message box appears with message:

c:\Program Files (x86)\ELOG1\elogd.exe is not a valid Win32 application.

What do I do wrong ?

I'm trying to use my old config file. New default config gave the same result :-(

  68458   Wed Nov 16 13:48:33 2016 Idea Andreas Luedekeandreas.luedeke@psi.chRequestAll3.1.2Cancel button missing when editing an entry

If I edit an old entry, and do some mistake while editing, then there is currently no way to savely discard the changes.

The problem is that the entry will become a draft: if I close the window without saving, then the whole entry is gone: it will be converted into a draft entry. But the draft does contain my changes, it is not the originally saved entry!

The draft mechanism should keep a copy of the entry before I opened it in edit mode, and allow to go back to that copy. The edit form has currently the buttons "Submit", "Save", "Preview" and "Delete"; it should have in addition the button "Cancel", that just closes the edit window without saving the entry and even deleting the draft that was saved while the entry was modified. This should bring you back to the previous list view.

Is anyone out there in favour of this change?

  68459   Wed Nov 16 14:01:18 2016 Reply Stefan Rittstefan.ritt@psi.chRequestAll3.1.2Re: Cancel button missing when editing an entry

The problem is that the elog database does not allow for a copy of an entry before you make modifications (and therefore get a "draft"). This is actually very simila to other note taking programs. I use Evernote, which constantly synchronizes between devices, and there I also cannot go back to the version before I started making modification. What one would need is a version system (and Evernote has one), so you can go back to the previous verison, the pre-previous version and so on. But this requires a complete redesign of the elog database.

A quick and dirty solution would be to store the origianal entry inside the browser (using JavaScript). You could then restore the initial version with a "cancel" button. But this mechanism relies then on the browser. If you just leave the page, there is no way the browser can put back the old version.

Stefan

Andreas Luedeke wrote:

If I edit an old entry, and do some mistake while editing, then there is currently no way to savely discard the changes.

The problem is that the entry will become a draft: if I close the window without saving, then the whole entry is gone: it will be converted into a draft entry. But the draft does contain my changes, it is not the originally saved entry!

The draft mechanism should keep a copy of the entry before I opened it in edit mode, and allow to go back to that copy. The edit form has currently the buttons "Submit", "Save", "Preview" and "Delete"; it should have in addition the button "Cancel", that just closes the edit window without saving the entry and even deleting the draft that was saved while the entry was modified. This should bring you back to the previous list view.

Is anyone out there in favour of this change?

 

  68460   Wed Nov 16 17:12:40 2016 Warning Grant Jeffcotegrant@jeffcote.orgRequestAll3.1.2Re: Cancel button missing when editing an entry

Andreas,

Doesn't using the Save Drafts = 0 option result in the old 'Back' button returning (replacing the Delete option) meaning you can revert back to your old (unmodified) version without saving, sure it doesn't save a draft but I'd rather be able to return back and lose the changes I didn't want then mess up an old entry, I guess the back button on the browser could also do what you want?

The issue I had was that entries were being deleted accidently by persons other than those that created them, I reduced the edit time to try and mitigate it but ended up going back to what we had in Ver 2.9.2, a 'Back' button.

Grant

Stefan Ritt wrote:

The problem is that the elog database does not allow for a copy of an entry before you make modifications (and therefore get a "draft"). This is actually very simila to other note taking programs. I use Evernote, which constantly synchronizes between devices, and there I also cannot go back to the version before I started making modification. What one would need is a version system (and Evernote has one), so you can go back to the previous verison, the pre-previous version and so on. But this requires a complete redesign of the elog database.

A quick and dirty solution would be to store the origianal entry inside the browser (using JavaScript). You could then restore the initial version with a "cancel" button. But this mechanism relies then on the browser. If you just leave the page, there is no way the browser can put back the old version.

Stefan

Andreas Luedeke wrote:

If I edit an old entry, and do some mistake while editing, then there is currently no way to savely discard the changes.

The problem is that the entry will become a draft: if I close the window without saving, then the whole entry is gone: it will be converted into a draft entry. But the draft does contain my changes, it is not the originally saved entry!

The draft mechanism should keep a copy of the entry before I opened it in edit mode, and allow to go back to that copy. The edit form has currently the buttons "Submit", "Save", "Preview" and "Delete"; it should have in addition the button "Cancel", that just closes the edit window without saving the entry and even deleting the draft that was saved while the entry was modified. This should bring you back to the previous list view.

Is anyone out there in favour of this change?

 

 

  68461   Thu Nov 17 09:14:15 2016 Reply Andreas Luedekeandreas.luedeke@psi.chRequestAll3.1.2Re: Cancel button missing when editing an entry

Yes, "Save Drafts = 0" does the trick. But it is the "zero-option": trivial, but not satisfying ;-)

Warning: the "back" button of the browser has a very undesired effect: the entry is then converted into a draft and not shown anymore in list view!

So if you ever wondered where your entries vanished to: it might be that someone opened them in edit view, started to edit them and then closed the browser window. I will make that known at my institute.

Grant Jeffcote wrote:

Andreas,

Doesn't using the Save Drafts = 0 option result in the old 'Back' button returning (replacing the Delete option) meaning you can revert back to your old (unmodified) version without saving, sure it doesn't save a draft but I'd rather be able to return back and lose the changes I didn't want then mess up an old entry, I guess the back button on the browser could also do what you want?

The issue I had was that entries were being deleted accidently by persons other than those that created them, I reduced the edit time to try and mitigate it but ended up going back to what we had in Ver 2.9.2, a 'Back' button.

Grant

Stefan Ritt wrote:

The problem is that the elog database does not allow for a copy of an entry before you make modifications (and therefore get a "draft"). This is actually very simila to other note taking programs. I use Evernote, which constantly synchronizes between devices, and there I also cannot go back to the version before I started making modification. What one would need is a version system (and Evernote has one), so you can go back to the previous verison, the pre-previous version and so on. But this requires a complete redesign of the elog database.

A quick and dirty solution would be to store the origianal entry inside the browser (using JavaScript). You could then restore the initial version with a "cancel" button. But this mechanism relies then on the browser. If you just leave the page, there is no way the browser can put back the old version.

Stefan

Andreas Luedeke wrote:

If I edit an old entry, and do some mistake while editing, then there is currently no way to savely discard the changes.

The problem is that the entry will become a draft: if I close the window without saving, then the whole entry is gone: it will be converted into a draft entry. But the draft does contain my changes, it is not the originally saved entry!

The draft mechanism should keep a copy of the entry before I opened it in edit mode, and allow to go back to that copy. The edit form has currently the buttons "Submit", "Save", "Preview" and "Delete"; it should have in addition the button "Cancel", that just closes the edit window without saving the entry and even deleting the draft that was saved while the entry was modified. This should bring you back to the previous list view.

Is anyone out there in favour of this change?

 

 

 

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