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icon3.gif   Sorting Museremail, posted by Steve Williamson on Thu Nov 13 13:25:25 2008 
    icon2.gif   Re: Sorting Museremail, posted by Stefan Ritt on Mon Nov 17 10:08:01 2008 
       icon2.gif   Re: Sorting Museremail, posted by Steve Williamson on Mon Nov 17 12:07:18 2008 
          icon2.gif   Re: Sorting Museremail, posted by Stefan Ritt on Mon Nov 17 12:20:17 2008 
             icon2.gif   Re: Sorting Museremail, posted by Steve Williamson on Mon Nov 17 13:03:19 2008 
                icon2.gif   Re: Sorting Museremail, posted by Stefan Ritt on Tue Nov 18 09:13:26 2008 
                   icon2.gif   Re: Sorting Museremail, posted by Steve Williamson on Thu Nov 20 10:29:39 2008 
Message ID: 66058     Entry time: Mon Nov 17 13:03:19 2008     In reply to: 66057     Reply to this: 66060
Icon: Reply  Author: Steve Williamson  Author Email: StephenWilliamson@Barnsley.gov.uk 
Category: Request  OS: Linux  ELOG Version: 2.7.5 
Subject: Re: Sorting Museremail 

Stefan Ritt wrote:

 

Steve Williamson wrote:

 

Stefan Ritt wrote:

 

Steve Williamson wrote:

Hi

I've just upgraded to 2.7.5 mainly because I wanted to have Museremail sorted.  We use this to list contacts on an RFC form and it's much easier to find the ones you want when they are in a predictable sequence.  As an extension to this it would be great if they could be sorted by the last part of their real name - typical user, give him a sweetie and he wants jam on it!

cheers

Steve

 

 That's a bit hard since different groups enter their names differently. While for a human it's easy to figure out what the family name is (usually), this must not be true for a computer. So I would propose that you enter the real names in the sequence family name, given name like

Ritt, Stefan
Doe, John

then sorting will work as you like.

 

 Good point! However, the current sorting appears to be done on email address rather than name.  Having the option to sort on name, where we are in control of the format so could structure it accordingly, would be great.

regards

Steve

 

 Can you give me an example on how names an email addresses look in your case? If the email address has no fix relation to the real name, I personally find it much harder to find an email address on a Muserlist, since the real name is not shown there. I guess what you really want is a display of the email addres in the form

real name <email address>

then sort by real name. Right?

We currently have 24 users set up which, using a normal font size, takes 6 lines to display Museremail.  Having realname+emailaddress would double the space - a bit much for us but may suit other users. 

You ask about how our email addresses look.  These are very simple, e.g. John Smith's email address would be "JohnSmith@mycompany.co.uk".  The are some exceptions, e.g. one or two people have a middle initial,or have a department name as a suffix and some people have abbreviated names because that is how they are known, so John's brother Joseph, known as Joe, might be JoeSoap@mycompany.co.uk and one or two users have a different domain.  So the ordering looks a bit odd sometimes, e.g.:

* StanleySmith@mycompany.co.uk * StellaEvans@mycompany.co.uk * StephenJones@mycompany.co.uk * StephenSmith@myothercompany.co.uk

* SterlingGold@mycompany.co.uk * SteuartEvans@mycompany.co.uk  * SteveSmythe@mycompany.co.uk * SylviaJones@mycompany.co.uk ...

where Steve Smythe has shifted down the ranks because of the abbreviation. 

However, the main reason for the request was that the I was so pleased with the ordering introduced in 2.7.5 but, as it is more normal for me  to look down a list of names ordered by last-name/first-name than the other way about, I thought it worth asking if there was any way to do this sensibly.  I appreciate that it isn't simple and what suits me may well not suit others - so thanks for taking time to consider the possibilities.  I guess the only real solution is to define users differently, e.g. by structuring the name data into first name(s) and last name (not a global solution but would suit most of western europe and the USA at least!) but that is bound to have lots of impacts both on the application and on existing setups - so not really feasible, and probably not worth the disruption.

regards

Steve

 

 

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