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  66667   Mon Jan 11 16:44:23 2010 Reply Erik Iversoneiverson@ornl.govQuestionAll2.7.8Re: Any way to paste clipboard into entry?
> > Is there any way to directly paste an image from a Windows clipboard into an elog entry page?  It's obvious
> > for uploading a file, but many of my users say that they never make a file, they just want to paste in an image
> > already onscreen.
> 
> This is a limitation of the FCKEditor used inside ELOG, and actually of the whole browser concept under Windows. 
> There are some extensions to Firefox which let your paste an image as an attachment, but none for doing this right 
> into the text body. For some discussion about this have a look at
> 
> http://forums.developer.mindtouch.com/showthread.php?t=188
> 
> for example.

Hmmm.  Well, does that mean that it is easier under Linux?  I have to confess I couldn't figure that out either.  But
I'd be delighted to have Yet Another Reason to tell the users that "it works under Linux, maybe you should switch...."  
  66668   Mon Jan 11 16:46:39 2010 Reply Stefan Rittstefan.ritt@psi.chQuestionAll2.7.8Re: Any way to paste clipboard into entry?
> > > Is there any way to directly paste an image from a Windows clipboard into an elog entry page?  It's obvious
> > > for uploading a file, but many of my users say that they never make a file, they just want to paste in an image
> > > already onscreen.
> > 
> > This is a limitation of the FCKEditor used inside ELOG, and actually of the whole browser concept under Windows. 
> > There are some extensions to Firefox which let your paste an image as an attachment, but none for doing this right 
> > into the text body. For some discussion about this have a look at
> > 
> > http://forums.developer.mindtouch.com/showthread.php?t=188
> > 
> > for example.
> 
> Hmmm.  Well, does that mean that it is easier under Linux?  I have to confess I couldn't figure that out either.  But
> I'd be delighted to have Yet Another Reason to tell the users that "it works under Linux, maybe you should switch...."  

I'm not sure, but I doubt that it would work under Linux. It's a general security issue: If your browser has free access to 
your clipboard, then what happens if you for example copy-and-paste a password in some application, then forget your password 
in the clipboard, then you surf to a malicious website, and a script on that site grabs your clipboard contents? This would 
be a severe security hole on ANY operating system.
  66669   Mon Jan 11 17:10:31 2010 Reply David PilgramDavid.Pilgram@epost.org.ukQuestionLinux2.7.8Re: Any way to paste clipboard into entry?
> > > > Is there any way to directly paste an image from a Windows clipboard into an elog entry page?  It's obvious
> > > > for uploading a file, but many of my users say that they never make a file, they just want to paste in an image
> > > > already onscreen.
> > > 
> > > This is a limitation of the FCKEditor used inside ELOG, and actually of the whole browser concept under Windows. 
> > > There are some extensions to Firefox which let your paste an image as an attachment, but none for doing this right 
> > > into the text body. For some discussion about this have a look at
> > > 
> > > http://forums.developer.mindtouch.com/showthread.php?t=188
> > > 
> > > for example.
> > 
> > Hmmm.  Well, does that mean that it is easier under Linux?  I have to confess I couldn't figure that out either.  But
> > I'd be delighted to have Yet Another Reason to tell the users that "it works under Linux, maybe you should switch...."  
> 
> I'm not sure, but I doubt that it would work under Linux. It's a general security issue: If your browser has free access to 
> your clipboard, then what happens if you for example copy-and-paste a password in some application, then forget your password 
> in the clipboard, then you surf to a malicious website, and a script on that site grabs your clipboard contents? This would 
> be a severe security hole on ANY operating system.

Hi there,

In a linux installation straight out of the box, I can cut-and-paste text from the mailer program (a stand-alone one called
XCmail), from an xterm or similar into elog with no trouble.  I've not tried an image, I just attach them as I use plain encoding.
 Don't know how it would work if it were on a properly secure linux box.
  66672   Tue Jan 12 20:03:39 2010 Question george papalexisgp@emich.eduBug reportWindows2.7.8email message id

We noticed some elog email messages were not showing up in our inboxes at random.  What we believe is happening is when a elog entry is created it is assigned a message id that the mail servers will use.  If a message is edited that same message id is used and some mail servers involved will ignore the duplicate message id.  We have also noticed when a elog entry is deleted the next entry created will assume the deleted entry message id and just like above the email will be ignored since it has a duplicate message id. 

  66673   Wed Jan 13 10:42:04 2010 Reply Stefan Rittstefan.ritt@psi.chBug reportWindows2.7.8Re: email message id

george papalexis wrote:

We noticed some elog email messages were not showing up in our inboxes at random.  What we believe is happening is when a elog entry is created it is assigned a message id that the mail servers will use.  If a message is edited that same message id is used and some mail servers involved will ignore the duplicate message id.  We have also noticed when a elog entry is deleted the next entry created will assume the deleted entry message id and just like above the email will be ignored since it has a duplicate message id. 

The message ID is part of the "user data" of the email, not of the standard email header. So the mail servers "do not know" about the message ID, which make it strange that double messages are filtered. Nobody else reported this problem before. Maybe is it related to your SPAM filter? Can you check if the double entries are classified as SPAM in your case? 

  66674   Wed Jan 13 10:51:24 2010 Reply David PilgramDavid.Pilgram@epost.org.ukBug reportWindows2.7.8Re: email message id

Stefan Ritt wrote:

george papalexis wrote:

We noticed some elog email messages were not showing up in our inboxes at random.  What we believe is happening is when a elog entry is created it is assigned a message id that the mail servers will use.  If a message is edited that same message id is used and some mail servers involved will ignore the duplicate message id.  We have also noticed when a elog entry is deleted the next entry created will assume the deleted entry message id and just like above the email will be ignored since it has a duplicate message id. 

The message ID is part of the "user data" of the email, not of the standard email header. So the mail servers "do not know" about the message ID, which make it strange that double messages are filtered. Nobody else reported this problem before. Maybe is it related to your SPAM filter? Can you check if the double entries are classified as SPAM in your case? 

 Hi Stefan,

I seem to recall this behaviour on this forum.  I was writing an entry, and due to mis-typing, submitted the entry before I had finished.  So I edited it, but there was only the one email sent.  I thought that this was how the thing was supposed to work.  To try it now, I am going to submit this, then edit the entry a little further, and we can all see if one or two emails are generated.

  66675   Wed Jan 13 10:59:44 2010 Question David PilgramDavid.Pilgram@epost.org.ukInfoLinux2.7.8Proxy Error
Having made one entry in the thread about message ID, I could neither edit the entry or add an additional reply
without getting "Proxy Error" messages.  I've had this trouble on this forum before, a long time ago.  Perhaps
it is connected with the html coding?
  66676   Wed Jan 13 11:00:57 2010 Reply Stefan Rittstefan.ritt@psi.chBug reportWindows2.7.8Re: email message id

David Pilgram wrote:

Stefan Ritt wrote:

george papalexis wrote:

We noticed some elog email messages were not showing up in our inboxes at random.  What we believe is happening is when a elog entry is created it is assigned a message id that the mail servers will use.  If a message is edited that same message id is used and some mail servers involved will ignore the duplicate message id.  We have also noticed when a elog entry is deleted the next entry created will assume the deleted entry message id and just like above the email will be ignored since it has a duplicate message id. 

The message ID is part of the "user data" of the email, not of the standard email header. So the mail servers "do not know" about the message ID, which make it strange that double messages are filtered. Nobody else reported this problem before. Maybe is it related to your SPAM filter? Can you check if the double entries are classified as SPAM in your case? 

 Hi Stefan,

I seem to recall this behaviour on this forum.  I was writing an entry, and due to mis-typing, submitted the entry before I had finished.  So I edited it, but there was only the one email sent.  I thought that this was how the thing was supposed to work.  To try it now, I am going to submit this, then edit the entry a little further, and we can all see if one or two emails are generated.

Well, I see just one email notification, have you already submitted your second? I tried on the "Demo" logbook here and I got two notifications. This can of course be turned off with the option "Suppress email on edit = 1". Maybe you are using this? 

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