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  66683   Wed Jan 13 12:18:54 2010 Reply Stefan Rittstefan.ritt@psi.chInfoLinux2.7.8Topic changed to: emails sent/received after edited entries.
> > > > I only got one email in response to the second entry of this thread, no email was received after the edit of the entry.  The
> > > > next email received was due to the third entry of this thread.
> > > 
> > > Ok, let me try (sorry to all the users who subscribe to this forum for pestering you...):
> > > 
> > > 1st reply to your entry.
> > > 
> > > 1st reply edited.
> > 
> > I got two email notifications, the second one I attached as a screen shot. So I don't know what happened in your case. The problem 
> > with the proxy is sometimes related to slow internet connections. If the HTML code transported over the internet has some delay 
> > between packets, the proxy server sometimes drops the connection. I don't know how to fix that in my Apache. If you edit in HTML, 
> > your browser downloads the JavaScript code and icons for the edit window, which is a lot of data, so the dropping is much more 
> > likely.
> Hi Stefan,
> 
> I confirm that this is a slow internet line, so that explains the Proxy Error.  
> 
> Maybe I should just keep my head down on threads where people use html coding ;-)
> 
> Did you receive two emails to my entry 66677?  I only received one.
> 
> I only received one email to your posting 66680 - the first entry, not the edited version.

I checked my email server and found that the second message really went though it. But then I realized that there is indeed the "Message-
ID:" in the email header (which I completely forgot in meantime). So maybe George Paplexis is right in that some mail 
server/forwarder/receiver ignore a second email if it has the same ID. That would mean however that I have to introduce a "revision 
number" for elog entries, which gets incremented on each edit and gets attached the the message-ID, so that it becomes unique again. 
That's quite some work and has to wait a bit.
  66684   Wed Jan 13 12:27:32 2010 Reply David PilgramDavid.Pilgram@epost.org.ukInfoLinux2.7.8Topic changed to: emails sent/received after edited entries.
> > > > > I only got one email in response to the second entry of this thread, no email was received after the edit of the entry.  The
> > > > > next email received was due to the third entry of this thread.
> > > > 
> > > > Ok, let me try (sorry to all the users who subscribe to this forum for pestering you...):
> > > > 
> > > > 1st reply to your entry.
> > > > 
> > > > 1st reply edited.
> > > 
> > > I got two email notifications, the second one I attached as a screen shot. So I don't know what happened in your case. The problem 
> > > with the proxy is sometimes related to slow internet connections. If the HTML code transported over the internet has some delay 
> > > between packets, the proxy server sometimes drops the connection. I don't know how to fix that in my Apache. If you edit in HTML, 
> > > your browser downloads the JavaScript code and icons for the edit window, which is a lot of data, so the dropping is much more 
> > > likely.
> > Hi Stefan,
> > 
> > I confirm that this is a slow internet line, so that explains the Proxy Error.  
> > 
> > Maybe I should just keep my head down on threads where people use html coding ;-)
> > 
> > Did you receive two emails to my entry 66677?  I only received one.
> > 
> > I only received one email to your posting 66680 - the first entry, not the edited version.
> 
> I checked my email server and found that the second message really went though it. But then I realized that there is indeed the "Message-
> ID:" in the email header (which I completely forgot in meantime). So maybe George Paplexis is right in that some mail 
> server/forwarder/receiver ignore a second email if it has the same ID. That would mean however that I have to introduce a "revision 
> number" for elog entries, which gets incremented on each edit and gets attached the the message-ID, so that it becomes unique again. 
> That's quite some work and has to wait a bit.

I had come to the same conclusion about the mail header being the same (see my email to you for full details).  

Sorry to all your subscribers for the email ping pong, although if others did receive two emails on the relivent entries - one original, and
one edited, it would be interesting, if possibly now academic, to know.
  66689   Fri Jan 15 17:36:54 2010 Reply george papalexisgp@emich.eduBug reportWindows2.7.8Re: email message id

Stefan Ritt wrote:

george papalexis wrote:

We noticed some elog email messages were not showing up in our inboxes at random.  What we believe is happening is when a elog entry is created it is assigned a message id that the mail servers will use.  If a message is edited that same message id is used and some mail servers involved will ignore the duplicate message id.  We have also noticed when a elog entry is deleted the next entry created will assume the deleted entry message id and just like above the email will be ignored since it has a duplicate message id. 

The message ID is part of the "user data" of the email, not of the standard email header. So the mail servers "do not know" about the message ID, which make it strange that double messages are filtered. Nobody else reported this problem before. Maybe is it related to your SPAM filter? Can you check if the double entries are classified as SPAM in your case? 

 Here is the mail log:

Jan 12 13:51:54 techies lmtpunix[3184]: dupelim: eliminated duplicate message to user.jf id <neteng-1067@emich.edu> (delivery)

The message id we are experiancing problems with is in the header;

Message-ID: <neteng-1073@emich.edu>

Thank you for the help.

 

 

  66693   Sun Jan 24 18:00:11 2010 Smile Kenneth McFarlanekenneth.mcfarlane@hamptonu.eduCommentWindows2.7.8first install comments

I am testing Elog for personal and group use. I am starting with a Windows install on a PC. (I came across Elog when doing a shift on ATLAS at CERN.)

It took me some time to discover how to access a local logbook and create a new one. I suggest adding short sections in a prominent place in the guides:

User guide:

"Accessing a logbook: To access a logbook, point your Web browser at the appropriate URL. The default for a local Elog is http://localhost:8080/logbookname. Logbook files are stored in directory logbookname which is a sub-directory of the logbook root directory, defined by the administrator. See the administrator guide on how to create a new logbook."

Admin guide:

"Creating a logbook: A logbook is created in three steps: 1) The logbook root directory is defined as an option of the elogd start command; 2) A sub-directory, of the logbook root directory, named logbookname is created; and 3) The elogd.cfg file is edited to define the logbook's attributes and options. No files are created in the sub-directory; that is done when entries are made."

Regards,

Ken McF

  66694   Mon Jan 25 09:28:18 2010 Reply Stefan Rittstefan.ritt@psi.chCommentWindows2.7.8Re: first install comments

Kenneth McFarlane wrote:

I am testing Elog for personal and group use. I am starting with a Windows install on a PC. (I came across Elog when doing a shift on ATLAS at CERN.)

It took me some time to discover how to access a local logbook and create a new one. I suggest adding short sections in a prominent place in the guides:

User guide:

"Accessing a logbook: To access a logbook, point your Web browser at the appropriate URL. The default for a local Elog is http://localhost:8080/logbookname. Logbook files are stored in directory logbookname which is a sub-directory of the logbook root directory, defined by the administrator. See the administrator guide on how to create a new logbook."

Admin guide:

"Creating a logbook: A logbook is created in three steps: 1) The logbook root directory is defined as an option of the elogd start command; 2) A sub-directory, of the logbook root directory, named logbookname is created; and 3) The elogd.cfg file is edited to define the logbook's attributes and options. No files are created in the sub-directory; that is done when entries are made."

Regards,

Ken McF

Dear Ken,

first of all thanks for trying to improve the documentation. For me as the developer it's always hard to imagine what people need to know, since I know already all about elog. Therefore I ask usually other people to write the documentation. The one for elog was written by Fred Pacquier.

When going through your comments, I realize that you had some problems on your first steps. But you say you have a Windows installation. If you use the normal installer, you get some entries in your "Start" menu under Windows, with which you can directly access your "demo" logbook which comes with the installation: Start -> All Programs -> ELOG -> Demo Logbook (requires running server). To create a logbook, just access your demo logbook, then clock on "Config", then you see a button "Create new logbook". Your point 1) mentioned above is actually not necessary if you use the default root directory. It might confuse people more than it helps. Point 2) is true, but only some internal database behavior, which might not be interesting to most users.

  66737   Thu Mar 11 12:01:35 2010 Question Thomastheitz@gmx.deQuestionWindows2.7.8Summary text field is empty for replied entries

It is possible to show the (new) text of a replied entry in the summary text field ?

Actually only for the original entries the text was shown in the text column of the summary report, not for the replies.

 

  66738   Thu Mar 11 14:59:29 2010 Reply Stefan Rittstefan.ritt@psi.chQuestionWindows2.7.8Re: Summary text field is empty for replied entries

Thomas wrote:

It is possible to show the (new) text of a replied entry in the summary text field ?

Actually only for the original entries the text was shown in the text column of the summary report, not for the replies.

In principle you can adjust the number of lines shown in the summary text file with the option summary lines = x. If you increase that value, you start seeing some part of the reply. For elog itself  it is impossible to distinguish the reply text from the origial text, since some people use plain text like

> original
> text
reply

with the reply sometimes below, sometimes above the original text. Other people use full HTML with tables (like in this forum), where it is very hard internally to distinguish between original and reply text. The easiest is not to quote the original text in replies, then you will see it always.

  66739   Thu Mar 11 15:29:40 2010 Reply Thomastheitz@gmx.deQuestionWindows2.7.8Re: Summary text field is empty for replied entries

Stefan Ritt wrote:

Thomas wrote:

It is possible to show the (new) text of a replied entry in the summary text field ?

Actually only for the original entries the text was shown in the text column of the summary report, not for the replies.

In principle you can adjust the number of lines shown in the summary text file with the option summary lines = x. If you increase that value, you start seeing some part of the reply. For elog itself  it is impossible to distinguish the reply text from the origial text, since some people use plain text like

> original
> text
reply

with the reply sometimes below, sometimes above the original text. Other people use full HTML with tables (like in this forum), where it is very hard internally to distinguish between original and reply text. The easiest is not to quote the original text in replies, then you will see it always.

 Thank you very much for your answer.

Is there any way to invert the order of the original text and the reply text ?

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