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  69633   Fri Jan 27 22:25:18 2023 Reply Andreas Luedekeandreas.luedeke@psi.chRequestAll-Re: Wikipedia Article deleted

It appears to me that this is a really stupid problem: the article provides many links to sources, but they are just links, not "references". That does not count, since links could be something else than references.

I'll try to edit it and transform the list of external links into references to verify the text. Lets hope that this will suffice.

Okay: found three articles about applications of ELOG and put them under references. I took the liberty to submit the draft: it shows that they expect some month delay for a review. I have no idea if that was what they want, but it is worth a try.

Edmund Blomley wrote:

If I understand it correctly I think it has to be submitted for review with the blue button on that page, just not sure if that should come from your side or someone else

Stefan Ritt wrote:

I added some more references, that's about all I can do. Not sure if that is enough.

Stefan

Edmund Blomley wrote:

It was now moved to the Draft space (which I did not even now existed so far): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:ELOG

Sebastian Schenk wrote:

I have requested an undeletion of the article. The article was deleted  "PROD", which means that someone tagged it. And if noone removes the tag, it could be deleted.

I could revive the article. So in the future, One should have an eye on it and maybe update the current version of the software.

If there iy an paper on the elog, maybe it could be cited for more creditability.

Andreas Luedeke wrote:

It looks to me like only an author of an article can contradict a deletion. I did not find a single method to even comment on the deletion.
I am not an Wikipedia expert, can anyone suggest on how to push for the article to be restored? Or do we just write it again, until people stop deleting it?

Stefan Ritt wrote:

I agree. I ahead ;-) I think it is not a good idea if the ELOG author pushes on that, but better someone else.

Best,
Stefan

Sebastian Schenk wrote:

Hello,

I noticed the wikipedia article of the ELOG got deleted in November 2021.
With the reason: "Poorly sourced article, and I was not able to find good sources myself."

I could access the old article through web.archive.org, but for the project it would be good, if the article got revived.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

  69634   Sat Jan 28 08:11:05 2023 Reply John Kellyjohn@secondcomingtechnologies.comRequestAll-Re: Wikipedia Article deleted
Wikipedia has been an unreliable source for a very long time, just for the reasons that we are seeing here now with psi and Elog. Those that 'run' Wikipedia are political and authoratative. I have not only had these negative experiences with 'them' but know of many others that have as well. I see no reason why an organization as  ours with such great ideas,  programs and people need to be on their site. I think it would 'say more' if we left this as is and let others see how unreliable Wikipedia really is.
John
Andreas Luedeke wrote:

It appears to me that this is a really stupid problem: the article provides many links to sources, but they are just links, not "references". That does not count, since links could be something else than references.

I'll try to edit it and transform the list of external links into references to verify the text. Lets hope that this will suffice.

Okay: found three articles about applications of ELOG and put them under references. I took the liberty to submit the draft: it shows that they expect some month delay for a review. I have no idea if that was what they want, but it is worth a try.

Edmund Blomley wrote:

If I understand it correctly I think it has to be submitted for review with the blue button on that page, just not sure if that should come from your side or someone else

Stefan Ritt wrote:

I added some more references, that's about all I can do. Not sure if that is enough.

Stefan

Edmund Blomley wrote:

It was now moved to the Draft space (which I did not even now existed so far): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:ELOG

Sebastian Schenk wrote:

I have requested an undeletion of the article. The article was deleted  "PROD", which means that someone tagged it. And if noone removes the tag, it could be deleted.

I could revive the article. So in the future, One should have an eye on it and maybe update the current version of the software.

If there iy an paper on the elog, maybe it could be cited for more creditability.

Andreas Luedeke wrote:

It looks to me like only an author of an article can contradict a deletion. I did not find a single method to even comment on the deletion.
I am not an Wikipedia expert, can anyone suggest on how to push for the article to be restored? Or do we just write it again, until people stop deleting it?

Stefan Ritt wrote:

I agree. I ahead ;-) I think it is not a good idea if the ELOG author pushes on that, but better someone else.

Best,
Stefan

Sebastian Schenk wrote:

Hello,

I noticed the wikipedia article of the ELOG got deleted in November 2021.
With the reason: "Poorly sourced article, and I was not able to find good sources myself."

I could access the old article through web.archive.org, but for the project it would be good, if the article got revived.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

  69635   Sat Jan 28 14:26:07 2023 Reply David PilgramDavid.Pilgram@epost.org.ukRequestAll-Re: Wikipedia Article deleted

I am rather with John on this.

I deliberately stopped contributing to Wikipedia years ago after I added an observation to an entry.  That is, a piece of what could be called original research.  It was shot down in flames for being precisely that: original research.    From what I read in the Draft:Elog and the Talk section,  I think that the same issue in some guise or other will come up.  All of us use and love Elog - I think I use it for all of the listed purposes - but apart from being in the Debian distro (which I did not know about) there is very little published primary sources.  Mind you, the quality of publications as primary sources can be questioned, I can bore on with several examples.  

Has anyone ever published a paper citing their filing cabinet organisation?  Elog's obviously different, but has the same problem when it comes to citations.  It is a utility, a very useful one, but the sort of utility that might just make an aside in a paper these days.  If we were in the 1980s and (hypothetically) Elog was available and as functional, that would probably make it the subject in computer research papers and magazines. 

 

David.

John Kelly wrote:
Wikipedia has been an unreliable source for a very long time, just for the reasons that we are seeing here now with psi and Elog. Those that 'run' Wikipedia are political and authoratative. I have not only had these negative experiences with 'them' but know of many others that have as well. I see no reason why an organization as  ours with such great ideas,  programs and people need to be on their site. I think it would 'say more' if we left this as is and let others see how unreliable Wikipedia really is.
John
Andreas Luedeke wrote:

It appears to me that this is a really stupid problem: the article provides many links to sources, but they are just links, not "references". That does not count, since links could be something else than references.

I'll try to edit it and transform the list of external links into references to verify the text. Lets hope that this will suffice.

Okay: found three articles about applications of ELOG and put them under references. I took the liberty to submit the draft: it shows that they expect some month delay for a review. I have no idea if that was what they want, but it is worth a try.

Edmund Blomley wrote:

If I understand it correctly I think it has to be submitted for review with the blue button on that page, just not sure if that should come from your side or someone else

Stefan Ritt wrote:

I added some more references, that's about all I can do. Not sure if that is enough.

Stefan

Edmund Blomley wrote:

It was now moved to the Draft space (which I did not even now existed so far): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:ELOG

Sebastian Schenk wrote:

I have requested an undeletion of the article. The article was deleted  "PROD", which means that someone tagged it. And if noone removes the tag, it could be deleted.

I could revive the article. So in the future, One should have an eye on it and maybe update the current version of the software.

If there iy an paper on the elog, maybe it could be cited for more creditability.

Andreas Luedeke wrote:

It looks to me like only an author of an article can contradict a deletion. I did not find a single method to even comment on the deletion.
I am not an Wikipedia expert, can anyone suggest on how to push for the article to be restored? Or do we just write it again, until people stop deleting it?

Stefan Ritt wrote:

I agree. I ahead ;-) I think it is not a good idea if the ELOG author pushes on that, but better someone else.

Best,
Stefan

Sebastian Schenk wrote:

Hello,

I noticed the wikipedia article of the ELOG got deleted in November 2021.
With the reason: "Poorly sourced article, and I was not able to find good sources myself."

I could access the old article through web.archive.org, but for the project it would be good, if the article got revived.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

  69881   Fri Jul 18 17:46:43 2025 Angy mathew goebelmgoebel@emich.eduQuestionLinux V3.1.5-30aonce a week we are having elogd segault?

Jul 17 20:36:21 elog kernel: elogd[179095]: segfault at 7ffda4d82000 ip 00007f97033a1406 sp 00007ffda4d58c38 error 6 in libc-2.28.so[7f9703374000+1cd000]

Elog version ELOG V3.1.5-30ada1df 

Running on a Rehdat 8 enterprise server

compiled with a Makefile change :: change -Wno-unused-result to -Wno-unused-value

Wondering if anyone has been seeing this?

  69875   Mon May 5 11:39:17 2025 Entry Pawel Nitapawel.nita@uj.edu.plBug reportLinux V3.1.3-7933898WYSIWYG Editor Not Showing in HTML Mode

Hi all,

I'm experiencing an issue on Kubuntu 24.04 where the WYSIWYG editor (in HTML mode) doesn't appear at all. This happens across multiple browsers (tested with Firefox and Chromium). The editor area is simply blank, without any visible toolbar or editable content area.

Has anyone encountered this on Kubuntu or found a workaround? Any tips would be appreciated!

Thanks in advance,
Pawel

  Draft   Mon May 5 11:47:11 2025 Reply JohnHjohn@secondcomingtechnologies.comBug reportLinux V3.1.3-7933898Re: WYSIWYG Editor Not Showing in HTML Mode

Hi Pawel, I *think* we (you) need the 'ckeditor' program installed on your system for it to work. I am

Pawel Nita wrote:

Hi all,

I'm experiencing an issue on Kubuntu 24.04 where the WYSIWYG editor (in HTML mode) doesn't appear at all. This happens across multiple browsers (tested with Firefox and Chromium). The editor area is simply blank, without any visible toolbar or editable content area.

Has anyone encountered this on Kubuntu or found a workaround? Any tips would be appreciated!

Thanks in advance,
Pawel

 

  Draft   Mon May 5 13:50:12 2025 Reply Pawel Nitapawel.nita@uj.edu.plBug reportLinux V3.1.3-7933898Re: WYSIWYG Editor Not Showing in HTML Mode

Hi John,

Thanks for the message! I’ve downloaded CKEditor version 4.22, since newer versions are no longer fully open source and come with restrictive licensing.  I now have the full CKEditor 4.22 package locally, but I’m not quite sure what the next step is. Should I place it somewhere specific in the ELOG directory structure or modify one of the templates to enable it? Any pointers on how to connect it properly to ELOG would be very helpful.

Best regards,
Pawel

John wrote:

Hi Pawel, I *think* we (you) need the 'ckeditor' program installed on your system for it to work. I am

Pawel Nita wrote:

Hi all,

I'm experiencing an issue on Kubuntu 24.04 where the WYSIWYG editor (in HTML mode) doesn't appear at all. This happens across multiple browsers (tested with Firefox and Chromium). The editor area is simply blank, without any visible toolbar or editable content area.

Has anyone encountered this on Kubuntu or found a workaround? Any tips would be appreciated!

Thanks in advance,
Pawel

 

 

  69877   Mon May 5 13:50:12 2025 Reply Pawel Nitapawel.nita@uj.edu.plBug reportLinux V3.1.3-7933898Re: WYSIWYG Editor Not Showing in HTML Mode

Hi John,

Thanks for the message! I’ve downloaded CKEditor version 4.22, since newer versions are no longer fully open source and come with restrictive licensing.  I now have the full CKEditor 4.22 package locally, but I’m not quite sure what the next step is. Should I place it somewhere specific in the ELOG directory structure or modify one of the templates to enable it? Any pointers on how to connect it properly to ELOG would be very helpful.

 

John wrote:

Hi Pawel, I *think* we (you) need the 'ckeditor' program installed on your system for it to work. I am

Pawel Nita wrote:

Hi all,

I'm experiencing an issue on Kubuntu 24.04 where the WYSIWYG editor (in HTML mode) doesn't appear at all. This happens across multiple browsers (tested with Firefox and Chromium). The editor area is simply blank, without any visible toolbar or editable content area.

Has anyone encountered this on Kubuntu or found a workaround? Any tips would be appreciated!

Thanks in advance,
Pawel

 

 

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