Hi All,

Can I host elog in the web (internet) under windows platform (elogd.exe only) without Apache Web Server? If possible, what syntax should I add in the configuration file? Appreciate feedback. Thanks.

Cheers,

Raymund

When you install elog under windows, an example config file gets installed which lets you do already what you want. Then you can extend the config file according to the documentation https://midas.psi.ch/elog/config.html

Thanks Andreas and Stefan,

Since I'm not good in setting up webserver, do you know a web hosting company that can I use to integrate elog so that i can access my elog publicly same as you are using here? Thanks.

BR,

Raymund

This has been confirmed usign the Demo forum on this server.  For example, please see https://midas.psi.ch/elogs/Linux+Demo/8

When an image is attached using the "Image" button in the CKEditor, that image does not appear in the attachment table for that entry.  In addition, the image can not be clicked on to view the full image.

This was not the case in v2.9.2, at least.

Is there some configuration option I could toggle to change this behaviour?  By default, we would like any attachment (whether it's made using drag and drop, the Image button, or the "Choose File" button) to appear in the attachment table *and* be clickable to view the full image.

Thanks,

Devin

As there appears to be some inconsistencies, I thought I'd document the behaviour of each of the attachment options.

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1. Click on the "Image" button in the CKEditor, click on "Choose File" and browse to the file, click on "Send it to the Server", and click "OK".

• The image appears inline at the configured "Thumbnail size", but it is not clickable and it does not appear in the attachment table when viewing the entry.

2. Drag and drop an image into the body of the message.

• The image appears inline at the configured "Thumbnail size" and is clickable.  As with "1," however, it does not appear in the attachment table when viewing the entry.

3. Drag and drop an image into the "Drop attachments here ..." section.

• The image appears in the attachment table at the configured Thumbnail Size, and is clickable.

4. From the attachment table, click on "Choose File" and then click on "Upload."

• The image appears in the attachment table at the configured Thumbnail Size, and is clickable.

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We need to make sure the images are always clickable so that you can always view the full-sized image.  Any suggestions for fixing this, short of reverting to v2.9.2, would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks again,

Devin

When an entry is being edited, it does not appear in the list once it's been autosaved or the editor manually clicks on "Save."  This has been reproduced in the "Linux Demo" forum on this site, as well as on a clean installation of the 3.1.1 binary on EL6.

It would be great if there was a configuraiton option to control this, but I haven't found it yet.  To reproduce:

- edit an existing entry

- click on "Save"

- view the list for that logbook, and the entry will be hidden until you click "Submit"

Obviously this becomes a problem when a user edits an entry, but navigates away from the browser window before submitting the changes.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Many thanks,

Devin

Thanks, Andreas.  I was aware of the "pending draft" menu, and I am aware that you can manually browse to an entry even if it doesn't appear in the list.  However, for our operations group it is a requirement that any saved entry appears in the list, even if it's in the process of being edited.  We won't be able to upgrade until this is possible.  

Previous releases didn't have this problem, so hopefully it won't be too difficult to address with a new configuration option.  Please let me know if there's something I should do to submit an official feature request / bug report.

Thanks again,

Devin

Andreas Luedeke wrote:

Hi Devin, this is the intended bevaviour, there is nothing wrong with that. Only a submitted entry should be visible to the world. If you would have played a little bit longer, you would have found out yourself how you'll get access again to this so-called "draft" entry after closing the browser window: as soon as you attempt to create - as the same user - an new entry, you'll be asked if you want to continue editing your old draft entry instead. I've attached a screenshot of this "pending draft" menu, as it has been shown for this entry before I've submitted it. Kind Regards, Andreas PS: You gave a very clear "failure" description: what you did, what you expected to happen and what you've observed what happened instead. Well done: that deserves a swift answer! Devin Bougie wrote: When an entry is being edited, it does not appear in the list once it's been autosaved or the editor manually clicks on "Save."  This has been reproduced in the "Linux Demo" forum on this site, as well as on a clean installation of the 3.1.1 binary on EL6. It would be great if there was a configuraiton option to control this, but I haven't found it yet.  To reproduce: - edit an existing entry - click on "Save" - view the list for that logbook, and the entry will be hidden until you click "Submit" Obviously this becomes a problem when a user edits an entry, but navigates away from the browser window before submitting the changes. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.   Many thanks, Devin

I have a question here. You say "previsous releases didn't have this problems". Well, they did not have the auto-save feature. You can turn this off if you like with "autosave = 0". This also removes the "Save" button so elog behaves exactly as before.

I decided NOT to show draft entries in the list, because these are entries currently under editing, and maybe the editor does not want others to see a half finished entry. Actually I had this feature initially and people complained about seing half finished messages in the list. Previously, when there was no "Save" button, new entries where not visible on the list because nothing was submitted at all, and I guess that was ok with you. So would reverting to the old functionality via "autosave = 0" make you happy? Of course you then loose the autosave functionality. So if people enter a long entry, and surf away from the page or the browser crashes, the entry is lost.

Devin Bougie wrote:

Thanks, Andreas.  I was aware of the "pending draft" menu, and I am aware that you can manually browse to an entry even if it doesn't appear in the list.  However, for our operations group it is a requirement that any saved entry appears in the list, even if it's in the process of being edited.  We won't be able to upgrade until this is possible.   Previous releases didn't have this problem, so hopefully it won't be too difficult to address with a new configuration option.  Please let me know if there's something I should do to submit an official feature request / bug report. Thanks again, Devin Andreas Luedeke wrote: Hi Devin, this is the intended bevaviour, there is nothing wrong with that. Only a submitted entry should be visible to the world. If you would have played a little bit longer, you would have found out yourself how you'll get access again to this so-called "draft" entry after closing the browser window: as soon as you attempt to create - as the same user - an new entry, you'll be asked if you want to continue editing your old draft entry instead. I've attached a screenshot of this "pending draft" menu, as it has been shown for this entry before I've submitted it. Kind Regards, Andreas PS: You gave a very clear "failure" description: what you did, what you expected to happen and what you've observed what happened instead. Well done: that deserves a swift answer! Devin Bougie wrote: When an entry is being edited, it does not appear in the list once it's been autosaved or the editor manually clicks on "Save."  This has been reproduced in the "Linux Demo" forum on this site, as well as on a clean installation of the 3.1.1 binary on EL6. It would be great if there was a configuraiton option to control this, but I haven't found it yet.  To reproduce: - edit an existing entry - click on "Save" - view the list for that logbook, and the entry will be hidden until you click "Submit" Obviously this becomes a problem when a user edits an entry, but navigates away from the browser window before submitting the changes. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.   Many thanks, Devin

Thanks, Stefan!  Yes, the old behavior is an acceptable workaround.  Although you need to use "Save drafts = 0" for this instead of "autosave = 0".

Ideally, our machine studies group would like to have the ability to save / autosave an entry *and* have it remain in the list.  We'd be very grateful to see that as an option in a future release.

Thanks again,

Devin
 

Stefan Ritt wrote:

I have a question here. You say "previsous releases didn't have this problems". Well, they did not have the auto-save feature. You can turn this off if you like with "autosave = 0". This also removes the "Save" button so elog behaves exactly as before. I decided NOT to show draft entries in the list, because these are entries currently under editing, and maybe the editor does not want others to see a half finished entry. Actually I had this feature initially and people complained about seing half finished messages in the list. Previously, when there was no "Save" button, new entries where not visible on the list because nothing was submitted at all, and I guess that was ok with you. So would reverting to the old functionality via "autosave = 0" make you happy? Of course you then loose the autosave functionality. So if people enter a long entry, and surf away from the page or the browser crashes, the entry is lost. Devin Bougie wrote: Thanks, Andreas.  I was aware of the "pending draft" menu, and I am aware that you can manually browse to an entry even if it doesn't appear in the list.  However, for our operations group it is a requirement that any saved entry appears in the list, even if it's in the process of being edited.  We won't be able to upgrade until this is possible.   Previous releases didn't have this problem, so hopefully it won't be too difficult to address with a new configuration option.  Please let me know if there's something I should do to submit an official feature request / bug report. Thanks again, Devin Andreas Luedeke wrote: Hi Devin, this is the intended bevaviour, there is nothing wrong with that. Only a submitted entry should be visible to the world. If you would have played a little bit longer, you would have found out yourself how you'll get access again to this so-called "draft" entry after closing the browser window: as soon as you attempt to create - as the same user - an new entry, you'll be asked if you want to continue editing your old draft entry instead. I've attached a screenshot of this "pending draft" menu, as it has been shown for this entry before I've submitted it. Kind Regards, Andreas PS: You gave a very clear "failure" description: what you did, what you expected to happen and what you've observed what happened instead. Well done: that deserves a swift answer! Devin Bougie wrote: When an entry is being edited, it does not appear in the list once it's been autosaved or the editor manually clicks on "Save."  This has been reproduced in the "Linux Demo" forum on this site, as well as on a clean installation of the 3.1.1 binary on EL6. It would be great if there was a configuraiton option to control this, but I haven't found it yet.  To reproduce: - edit an existing entry - click on "Save" - view the list for that logbook, and the entry will be hidden until you click "Submit" Obviously this becomes a problem when a user edits an entry, but navigates away from the browser window before submitting the changes. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.   Many thanks, Devin

Have a look here: elog:68014

Thanks, Stefan.  I read that before asking my question, but didn't see a resolution in that thread.  I am already at 3.1.1, and I am testing on a clean installation.  Are you saying that the solution is in the development branch after the release of 3.1.1?

Thanks again,

Devin

No. What the thread says is first try this forum, see if you can drag and drop here. If not, you have a problem on your browser. If yes, you have somewhere some old JavaScript file around. Might be in the cache of your browser.

Yeah, I had tried that and it did work in your demo forum.  It just didn't work in mine with authentication = webserver, even with a clean browser profile.  

However, after playing with the config and a few restarts, everything now seems to be working properly.  Really not sure what changed, but thanks for helping.

Devin

I'm finally able to reproduce this, and my initial description was incorrect.  If we have "restrict edit = 1", only an "Admin user" can use the "Dop attachments here..." or the "Image" button in the CKEditor.  The old "Choose File," "Upload" buttons, however, works just fine for anyone.

If we have "restrict edit = 0", anyone can upload an attachment using all three interfaces.

This is very reproducible by toggling restrict edit in the global section or for an individual logbook.

Devin

Hi again!

I've another need that you probably already thought of :)

I'd like to be able to efficiently monitor a logbook for changes (new or edited posts) somehow. The most reasonable way I've found so far is to periodically poll a search that looks for posts after the time of the last poll. But that might note be very efficient, especially if the polling period gets short (or number of clients grows).

Is there some other feature that could be used for this? I was thinking maybe the ETag or Last-Modified HTTP header field could be used to show changes to a logbook by just reading the headers, but it would also require HEAD request support which does not seem to be there.

Cheers,

Johan

Use automatic email notifications or RSS feeds. Read the manual for that.

Stefan

I recommend monitoring directly on the server. Here is an example of a very simply Python script (https://github.com/tamasgal/elog-slack) which monitors the files very efficiently and immediately pushes notifications to Slack (slack.com). Just look at the code, it's pretty straight forward and very easy to adapt it to other (web) services.

Btw. here is an ELOG entry of it https://midas.psi.ch/elogs/Forum/68224

Yeah, I suppose something like that would be both faster and more efficient than polling ELOG itself. Fortunately the ELOG disk format looks easily parsed.

Thanks for the pointer!

I just noticed that there are multiple messages per file, so I have to adapt the parser. I'll update this thread when I'm done!

You guys know that there is the possibility to execute an arbitrary script on each submission of a new messge? Just use "Execute new = <script>". In the script you have access to all parameters of the message. That's maybe simple than to watch the file set.

Where is this feature documented?

In the documentation of course :-)

I'm probably too tired or I don't know, but of course I looked at the user's guide and the admin's guide but did not found anything about this ;-) Is there another documention which I missed somehow?

You look here: http://midas.psi.ch/elog/config.html and scroll down to "Execute New". I wonder how you ever could run elog without looking at that page.

OK thanks I'll check that out. I did not configure ELOG by myself, I only use it and wrote the Slack plugin ;-)

Aha, that's interesting too! I'll have to look more carefully through the documentation... :)

Yeah, I found the RSS feed feature, but I could not get ETags/Last-Modified header fields which meant that I'd have to read and parse the entire feed every time. Maybe I made a mistake and they do work, but if not, I think it would make sense to implement as it should save work for both the server and the client.

Dear all,

I just wanted to share a small script which I wrote to integrate our ELOG in Slack. This allows us to be notified immediately if there is a new logbook entry directly within the appropriate Slack channels. We're using ELOG V2.9.2-245 but if the log-file format has "Subject, Author, Type" in the header, it should work with any other version. I'm using Pyinotify for the file watch which relies on a Linux Kernel feature (merged in kernel 2.6.13) called inotify, so the script only works on Linux.

Here is the code: https://github.com/tamasgal/elog-slack

Cheers and thanks for ELOG!

Tom

Hi all,

I have a use case for ELOG where I need to be able to "prefill" some attributes in the "cmd=new" form, based on the URL.

To illustrate, imagine a link that takes the user directly to the form for creating a new post, with the "Subsystem" attribute already filled out to "Vacuum".

Is this possible already? I've tried naively using URL parameters (e.g. "&Subsystem=Vacuum") but that does not work. If it's not implemented, I think it would be a useful feature to have (and quite important for my particular use case). I could create a new post first using the "elog" tool, with the desired attributes set, but it makes more sense to defer the actual creation of the post to the user, i.e. he/she might change their mind before pressing "submit".

Thanks,

Johan Forsberg, MAX IV Laboratory, Sweden

Put a "p" in front of the attribute, like "&pSubsystem=Vacuum". This is kind of an undocumented feature just for the experts ;-)

Wow, than you both for the quick response! I agree it's quite a hidden gem, but the most important thing is that it works, thanks!

Whatever you choose as a default encoding you'll be stuck with. If you remove the "Required Attributes" it works again.

The workaround is very simple: do not use any attributes that do start with a digit :-)

Cheers, Andreas