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  69175   Sun Jul 19 13:14:36 2020 Reply David PilgramDavid.Pilgram@epost.org.ukQuestionWindowsELOG V3.1.4-a04Re: Expanding column width when viewing in Summary mode

Anyone who knows me knows I (ab)use elog a lot.   And this one is another of a long list of cheats and work arounds rather than modifying the code properly.

In summary mode, the top row are titles, and if they are long, they will dominate the width of that column.  Similarly if they are short, if entries under that title are either non-existant or even shorter.  Sometimes entries below the title will dominate, e.g. entries under "Date" title.

I assume your entries under the title in question are things like more than one word, such that they get split into two rows within that cell.  Sometimes that can look very untidy.  However, if you want the column wider than the title is given, you can pad out the title with " " (without the "").  Either on both sides for a centred title, or on the right for left justified.  Or between words if the title has more than one.  (Sorry for this edit, I hit submit button rather than preview).

Illam Pakkirisamy wrote:

Hi Stefan,

Thanks for your prompt follow up.  I did try commenting of the width statement for listtitle2 and also reducing it to 40% but it did not work.  I restarted elogd daemon and I don't see the columns changing.  I also tried putting a percentage number (40%) for listtitle1 just to try and no change either.  Appreciate your help.

Thanks.

Illam

Stefan Ritt wrote:

You can't directly change individual columns, but you can reduce the "Text" column. This is done in themes/default/elog.css. Search for "listtitle2" and change or remove the line "width:100%". This makes the text column narrower, leaving more space for the subject column.

Illam Pakkirisamy wrote:

Hi,

I'm trying to expand the Subject column, when viewing in summary mode, and couldn't find any documentation for it.  Is this possible and if so, how would I do it.

Thanks in advance for your help.

Illam

 

 

 

  69268   Wed Dec 2 15:57:25 2020 Reply David PilgramDavid.Pilgram@epost.org.ukQuestionLinux2.9.2-2475Re: Duplicate entries

I'm not sure if this is what you want.

If you want to prevent "accidental" replies being identical to the original message, you can force a situation where the user will be alerted that they have to do something if they really want to make a reply. 

An example.  I have an attribute "Action".  In order to make a reply.  I have set up that I must select an Action attribute every time.  If I forget, I get an error message screen, and can click to go back to the entry and have another attempt (nothing is deleted if you have added to the reply).

In the elog.cfg file, I have the lines

Required Attributes =  Action

Preset on reply Action = 

This hopefully would remind them that they are making a reply to an entry, and either make a reply, or abort the attempt.

 

Harry Martin wrote:

I find that I can reply to a message ("original" message, if you will) without doing anything to the reply message (the "copy" of the original message, if you will).  If I then submit it, it gets saved as a new message, identical to the one I replied to.

I read through the options at the end of the docs.  I did not see anything about a way to suppress identical messages, or a way to force the user to make some kind of change to make the reply different from the original.

David Pilgram wrote:

I've seen exact;y this effect, even though I have branching = 0 in my config file - so ordinarily no chance to have two
 replies to an entry.  My pointer aka mouse (I'm on Linux) is a bit dodgy, and sometimes disconnects/reconnects, so in effect gives a very fast double click.  I've always assumed that was the cause of the problem.  The two replies have incremental IDs, and both those IDs are listed in the "Reply to" header section of the entry.  I'm not sure how this overcomes the branching = 0 detail, though.

That is what I have assumed, but if others see this on occasion, perhaps it's got a different cause.

Alan Grant wrote:

Periodically (rarely) on manually adding a record into Elog it generates a duplicate record with its own incremented ID and I don't know why. I just delete the duplicate in the meantime but would like to know if anyone else has seen this and whether their is a answer/fix for it. Thanks.

 

 

 

  69270   Wed Dec 2 18:22:37 2020 Reply David PilgramDavid.Pilgram@epost.org.ukQuestionLinux2.9.2-2475Re: Duplicate entries

Hi Harry,

I'm just an elog (ab)user, not one of the developers.  My original 2017 reply was to report an issue that was due to hardware, but somehow overcame a configuration flag (no multiple replies to a single entry), which might have been the same problem as the original poster, Alan Grant, was observing, where one real reply mysteriously became two identical ones.  That appears to be different to the issue you have.

There is an "Abort" button; in version 2.9.2 it is "Back" (without a warning), somewhere along the development it because "Delete" (with a warning), but that only covers circumstances where a reply is started by accident/unintentionally and then it is realised.  My previous suggestion certainly would alert the replier that they have to do something - even if only selectiing an "Action" - before the new entry would be accepted,  This suggests that you have a circumstance where the reply being a duplicate of the entry is a real issue, and that neither of the suggestions above would help.  Don't forget, some people may *want* this.

It would be for Stefan and Andreas to put this on the elog wish-list.  I am a little puzzled as to how your problem arises - lazy user? - so perhaps more comment as to how this is occurring will help Stefan and Andreas understand the why.  There is somewhere on this site a page where you can add suggestions for the wish-list, but due to security certificate issues, I can only access the Forum at present and cannot point you to it.

Harry Martin wrote:

I was only commenting on the predicament as I have run into it also.  I have required fields, but short of some sort of "abort" control (curiously missing from the otherwise vast offerings of elog), I don't see any way to ensure that identical replies don't occur in any circumstance that may arise.

My feeling is that an additional option to elog is appropriate, one that disables -- completely -- identical replies to a message.   I am not asserting that this must be done, just that it might be the only truly efficacious way to eliminate this issue.   Again, I was only commenting on it, but I would like to see such a feature implemented in elog.  I believe it can be justified because this would seem, intutitively, to be a potential problem for almost anyone using elog. 

I hope you will receive my response here in the constructive and friendly manner it is intended.

David Pilgram wrote:

I'm not sure if this is what you want.

If you want to prevent "accidental" replies being identical to the original message, you can force a situation where the user will be alerted that they have to do something if they really want to make a reply. 

An example.  I have an attribute "Action".  In order to make a reply.  I have set up that I must select an Action attribute every time.  If I forget, I get an error message screen, and can click to go back to the entry and have another attempt (nothing is deleted if you have added to the reply).

In the elog.cfg file, I have the lines

Required Attributes =  Action

Preset on reply Action = 

This hopefully would remind them that they are making a reply to an entry, and either make a reply, or abort the attempt.

 

Harry Martin wrote:

I find that I can reply to a message ("original" message, if you will) without doing anything to the reply message (the "copy" of the original message, if you will).  If I then submit it, it gets saved as a new message, identical to the one I replied to.

I read through the options at the end of the docs.  I did not see anything about a way to suppress identical messages, or a way to force the user to make some kind of change to make the reply different from the original.

David Pilgram wrote:

I've seen exact;y this effect, even though I have branching = 0 in my config file - so ordinarily no chance to have two
 replies to an entry.  My pointer aka mouse (I'm on Linux) is a bit dodgy, and sometimes disconnects/reconnects, so in effect gives a very fast double click.  I've always assumed that was the cause of the problem.  The two replies have incremental IDs, and both those IDs are listed in the "Reply to" header section of the entry.  I'm not sure how this overcomes the branching = 0 detail, though.

That is what I have assumed, but if others see this on occasion, perhaps it's got a different cause.

Alan Grant wrote:

Periodically (rarely) on manually adding a record into Elog it generates a duplicate record with its own incremented ID and I don't know why. I just delete the duplicate in the meantime but would like to know if anyone else has seen this and whether their is a answer/fix for it. Thanks.

 

 

 

 

 

  69301   Thu Feb 18 12:05:52 2021 Reply David PilgramDavid.Pilgram@epost.org.ukBug reportLinux3.1.4-2Re: elog server go to high CPU and hangs
Dear Stefano,

Try the entry I wrote some time ago elog:68655

David.


> Dear expert,
>   I'm running the latest git version of elog ELOG V3.1.4-395e101a on ubuntu 20.04.2.
> I'm experiencing frequent hangs of the elog server: the status is always reported as running, but the web server is not responding.
> The only hint I have of something strange is that the elogd process is using a lot of CPU (50-100%), the log do not show anything suspect 
> as far as I can see.
> 
> Has anyone experienced something similar or has any idea how can I start to debug the problem?
> 
> Sorry for lack of many information, but I don't know what to look at.
> 
> Thanks in advance
>   Stefano
  69587   Mon Nov 21 13:32:04 2022 Reply David PilgramDavid.Pilgram@epost.org.ukQuestionWindows3-1-4Re: Planned maintenance at the top of ELOG listing

The way to do this is to ensure that the date of the entry is in the future.  As a hard -core linux (ab)user of elog, I create an entry, then dive into the yymmdda.log files, and edit it so that the date at the top of the entry is, for example, Sat, 31 Dec 2022 23:59:59.  Then, that entry will remain at the top of the listings until the New Year.  I do this very thing for the very same reason, i.e. to keep one entry at the top of the listings until after a certain date.

It may be that if you have "date of entry" field and sort by that, you could set the date of entry in the future.  I've not tried that.

The same effect could be done by adjusting the computer/server's date to the future, make the entry and then reset back to the present, but that may well be unpopular and impractical.  On a single computer, I have done this, although I then changed to editing the yymmdda.log file directly.

Finn Junker wrote:

We use our instance of ELOG as a operations log so that newest events are sorted at the top.

Sometimes we are also up front informed about planned maintenance, and i would be nice to could "pin" them at the top - before the sorting, so that operatores could have them in mind when starting a new shift. Have anyone found a way to solve this?

Kind Regards Finn

 

  69635   Sat Jan 28 14:26:07 2023 Reply David PilgramDavid.Pilgram@epost.org.ukRequestAll-Re: Wikipedia Article deleted

I am rather with John on this.

I deliberately stopped contributing to Wikipedia years ago after I added an observation to an entry.  That is, a piece of what could be called original research.  It was shot down in flames for being precisely that: original research.    From what I read in the Draft:Elog and the Talk section,  I think that the same issue in some guise or other will come up.  All of us use and love Elog - I think I use it for all of the listed purposes - but apart from being in the Debian distro (which I did not know about) there is very little published primary sources.  Mind you, the quality of publications as primary sources can be questioned, I can bore on with several examples.  

Has anyone ever published a paper citing their filing cabinet organisation?  Elog's obviously different, but has the same problem when it comes to citations.  It is a utility, a very useful one, but the sort of utility that might just make an aside in a paper these days.  If we were in the 1980s and (hypothetically) Elog was available and as functional, that would probably make it the subject in computer research papers and magazines. 

 

David.

John Kelly wrote:
Wikipedia has been an unreliable source for a very long time, just for the reasons that we are seeing here now with psi and Elog. Those that 'run' Wikipedia are political and authoratative. I have not only had these negative experiences with 'them' but know of many others that have as well. I see no reason why an organization as  ours with such great ideas,  programs and people need to be on their site. I think it would 'say more' if we left this as is and let others see how unreliable Wikipedia really is.
John
Andreas Luedeke wrote:

It appears to me that this is a really stupid problem: the article provides many links to sources, but they are just links, not "references". That does not count, since links could be something else than references.

I'll try to edit it and transform the list of external links into references to verify the text. Lets hope that this will suffice.

Okay: found three articles about applications of ELOG and put them under references. I took the liberty to submit the draft: it shows that they expect some month delay for a review. I have no idea if that was what they want, but it is worth a try.

Edmund Blomley wrote:

If I understand it correctly I think it has to be submitted for review with the blue button on that page, just not sure if that should come from your side or someone else

Stefan Ritt wrote:

I added some more references, that's about all I can do. Not sure if that is enough.

Stefan

Edmund Blomley wrote:

It was now moved to the Draft space (which I did not even now existed so far): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:ELOG

Sebastian Schenk wrote:

I have requested an undeletion of the article. The article was deleted  "PROD", which means that someone tagged it. And if noone removes the tag, it could be deleted.

I could revive the article. So in the future, One should have an eye on it and maybe update the current version of the software.

If there iy an paper on the elog, maybe it could be cited for more creditability.

Andreas Luedeke wrote:

It looks to me like only an author of an article can contradict a deletion. I did not find a single method to even comment on the deletion.
I am not an Wikipedia expert, can anyone suggest on how to push for the article to be restored? Or do we just write it again, until people stop deleting it?

Stefan Ritt wrote:

I agree. I ahead ;-) I think it is not a good idea if the ELOG author pushes on that, but better someone else.

Best,
Stefan

Sebastian Schenk wrote:

Hello,

I noticed the wikipedia article of the ELOG got deleted in November 2021.
With the reason: "Poorly sourced article, and I was not able to find good sources myself."

I could access the old article through web.archive.org, but for the project it would be good, if the article got revived.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

  69715   Mon Jan 8 15:56:40 2024 Reply David PilgramDavid.Pilgram@epost.org.ukQuestionWindowsELOG V3.1.3-a38Re: Maximum number of attributes

In my case, I had a number of attributes which had a varied prefix.  For example, "progressed" , which could have no prefix, or prefix "I", "To be", "Strongly", "Seriously"... and that was true (the same prefixes, or at least many of them) for a number of attributes.  Splitting them into two groups, the prefixes and the action, allowed me to gain more actual attributes without having to recompile.  Suitable change in the elog config file will also make this easy to follow in how the entries are shown in threaded or full display modes.  In your case suffixes may be better, but I hope you get the point.

Although I have done a (linux) recompile in the past, v2.9 something, 120 attributes seemed not to affect things.

Dr Marta Divall wrote:

Dear Stefan,

 Thansk for the super fast response! To keep the stability of the system we will look for a different solution then. 

Best,

Marta

Stefan Ritt wrote:

You would have to change the elogd.c code and recompile. At some point you wlll however get crash of elogd with a stack overflow. If you need more than 100 attributes, it becomes anyhow hard to manage, so I would suggest other ways, like adding iformation to the text body etc.

Best,
Stefan

Dr Marta Divall wrote:

The maximum number or attributes is 100.

Is it possible to increase this?

Thanks!

 

 

 

  69718   Mon Jan 8 17:30:42 2024 Reply David PilgramDavid.Pilgram@epost.org.ukQuestionWindowsELOG V3.1.3-a38Re: Maximum number of attributes

Or what about the "ticket number" feature?  Every new entry  thread (sorry, confusing terminology on my part) would increment the ticket number by one, and there is no limit as far as I am aware.  This is all explained in the elogd configuration documentation.  

Stefan Ritt wrote:

Why don't you simply create a single attribute "identifier", which then gets a value D_001, ..., D_xxx. You can still use the D_xxx in full text search.

Stefan

Dr Marta Divall wrote:

To explain the problem, we have silicon chip designs, which we log with an indentifyier, which is the attribute for easy search, as we want to follow their progress from design thorugh fabrication to testing, involving many people. They are called D_001; D_099...you get it. We have reached the 100, but maybe it is the est just to create an archive after each 100 design and make a new tab/logbook. Any other suggestions are of course welcome. 

David Pilgram wrote:

In my case, I had a number of attributes which had a varied prefix.  For example, "progressed" , which could have no prefix, or prefix "I", "To be", "Strongly", "Seriously"... and that was true (the same prefixes, or at least many of them) for a number of attributes.  Splitting them into two groups, the prefixes and the action, allowed me to gain more actual attributes without having to recompile.  Suitable change in the elog config file will also make this easy to follow in how the entries are shown in threaded or full display modes.  In your case suffixes may be better, but I hope you get the point.

Although I have done a (linux) recompile in the past, v2.9 something, 120 attributes seemed not to affect things.

Dr Marta Divall wrote:

Dear Stefan,

 Thansk for the super fast response! To keep the stability of the system we will look for a different solution then. 

Best,

Marta

Stefan Ritt wrote:

You would have to change the elogd.c code and recompile. At some point you wlll however get crash of elogd with a stack overflow. If you need more than 100 attributes, it becomes anyhow hard to manage, so I would suggest other ways, like adding iformation to the text body etc.

Best,
Stefan

Dr Marta Divall wrote:

The maximum number or attributes is 100.

Is it possible to increase this?

Thanks!

 

 

 

 

 

 

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