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Entry  Tue Nov 16 01:27:51 2021, Jacquelynne Vaughan, V3 board, only one channel works, all components at each channel input working 

Hi everyone,

I'm still looking through the forum for an answer to this question, but thought I'd go ahead and post anyway just in case it hasn't been answered yet. If it has I can take this post down.

I have a V3 board, and as far as I can tell only channel 2 gives an output. If I enable other channels using the DRS Oscilloscope software, they do show static but will not show a signal if I connect one to them (e.g. a series of subsequent square waves). A technician and I took the board out and tested all the components leading up to the microcontrollers for each channel, and everything seemed to be working fine. I thought maybe it was configured to only have one channel read an output, but I looked through the Config panel in the software and nothing seemed to indicate that.

I am a novice, and maybe I'm missing something that I didn't see in the manual. I can post screenshots if needed!

Thank you for your help!

    Reply  Tue Nov 16 08:51:14 2021, Stefan Ritt, V3 board, only one channel works, all components at each channel input working 

A V3 boards is already 10 years old and out of warranty. The software has no configuration to turn channels off except the channel buttons on the main page on top of the sliders. I presume the channels are broked due to some overvoltage applied to them (the V5 board is better protected against over voltage). You can send it the board for repair, but it will cost almost the same amount of money than buying a new boards.

Regards,
Stefan

Jacquelynne Vaughan wrote:

Hi everyone,

I'm still looking through the forum for an answer to this question, but thought I'd go ahead and post anyway just in case it hasn't been answered yet. If it has I can take this post down.

I have a V3 board, and as far as I can tell only channel 2 gives an output. If I enable other channels using the DRS Oscilloscope software, they do show static but will not show a signal if I connect one to them (e.g. a series of subsequent square waves). A technician and I took the board out and tested all the components leading up to the microcontrollers for each channel, and everything seemed to be working fine. I thought maybe it was configured to only have one channel read an output, but I looked through the Config panel in the software and nothing seemed to indicate that.

I am a novice, and maybe I'm missing something that I didn't see in the manual. I can post screenshots if needed!

Thank you for your help!

 

Entry  Mon Sep 6 14:42:23 2021, Jiaolong, how to acquire the stop channel with 2x4096 cascading  

Hi Steffan,

    I have a question about how to acquire the stop channel: 

    Process:   Configure the Write Shift Register with 00010001b to achieve 4-channel cascading, then after a trigger, set A3-A0 to 1101, sclk keeps 0.

    Result:   the WSROUT pin keeps 0, the SROUT pin has no clock pulse as written in datasheet, but keeps always 1 or 0. It can be seen the stop channel is channel 0 or channel 1, but no situation to represtent channel 3 or channel 4. And if set sclk with 8 pulses, the  WSROUT and SROUT both keep 0.

    What should I pay attention to? Looking forward to your reply.

Jiaolong 

    Reply  Sat Sep 18 15:47:50 2021, Stefan Ritt, how to acquire the stop channel with 2x4096 cascading  

The problem must be on your side, since the Write Shift Register readout works in other applications with the DRS4 chip. So I can only speculate what could be wrong:

  • Do you really properly set the WSR? When you program it with 00010001b, add 8 more clock cycles and you should see the 00010001b pattern at WSROUT.
  • Do all tests with an oscilloscope, to avoid potential problems in your FPGA firmware (like an input configures as an output by mistake).
  • DWRITE must be high to see the contents of the WSR at the WSROUT pin, maybe that’s your mistake, see datasheet p 5 of 16.
  • To see the contents of the WSR at SROUT, A0-3 must be 1101b, please check with your oscilloscope
  • The addresses A0-A3 are simply connected to a multiplexer, so no clock is necessary after the addresses change

Stefan

Jiaolong wrote:

Hi Steffan,

    I have a question about how to acquire the stop channel: 

    Process:   Configure the Write Shift Register with 00010001b to achieve 4-channel cascading, then after a trigger, set A3-A0 to 1101, sclk keeps 0.

    Result:   the WSROUT pin keeps 0, the SROUT pin has no clock pulse as written in datasheet, but keeps always 1 or 0. It can be seen the stop channel is channel 0 or channel 1, but no situation to represtent channel 3 or channel 4. And if set sclk with 8 pulses, the  WSROUT and SROUT both keep 0.

    What should I pay attention to? Looking forward to your reply.

Jiaolong 

 

       Reply  Fri Nov 5 01:12:10 2021, Jiaolong, how to acquire the stop channel with 2x4096 cascading  

Thanks for your advice. The problem has been solved by setting the srin again while reading out from srout.

Stefan Ritt wrote:

The problem must be on your side, since the Write Shift Register readout works in other applications with the DRS4 chip. So I can only speculate what could be wrong:

  • Do you really properly set the WSR? When you program it with 00010001b, add 8 more clock cycles and you should see the 00010001b pattern at WSROUT.
  • Do all tests with an oscilloscope, to avoid potential problems in your FPGA firmware (like an input configures as an output by mistake).
  • DWRITE must be high to see the contents of the WSR at the WSROUT pin, maybe that’s your mistake, see datasheet p 5 of 16.
  • To see the contents of the WSR at SROUT, A0-3 must be 1101b, please check with your oscilloscope
  • The addresses A0-A3 are simply connected to a multiplexer, so no clock is necessary after the addresses change

Stefan

Jiaolong wrote:

Hi Steffan,

    I have a question about how to acquire the stop channel: 

    Process:   Configure the Write Shift Register with 00010001b to achieve 4-channel cascading, then after a trigger, set A3-A0 to 1101, sclk keeps 0.

    Result:   the WSROUT pin keeps 0, the SROUT pin has no clock pulse as written in datasheet, but keeps always 1 or 0. It can be seen the stop channel is channel 0 or channel 1, but no situation to represtent channel 3 or channel 4. And if set sclk with 8 pulses, the  WSROUT and SROUT both keep 0.

    What should I pay attention to? Looking forward to your reply.

Jiaolong 

 

 

Entry  Mon Oct 25 18:48:04 2021, Javier Caravaca, Trigger multiple boards independently 

Hello,

I recently acquired 4 DRS4 boards and I wanted to ask if it was possible to trigger them independently from the same computer.

I know that you can daisy-chain boards and trigger them all at the same time, but in my case, each of my boards record independent events, so I want them to trigger when trigger conditions are met in each board. I currently use the provided DRSOSC software, that can trigger on only the board that is being displayed at that moment. I tried opening several instances of DRSOSC to associate each to each board, but that is not possible since the second instance already does not find the boards. I wonder if there is a way of triggering from each board independently without having to use four computers.

Thank you,

Javier.

    Reply  Tue Oct 26 12:02:56 2021, Stefan Ritt, Trigger multiple boards independently 

Unfortunately an independent operation from a single computer is not supported by the software. You can try to modify the drs_exam program and extend it. You can poll all boards in sequence and just read out that one which got a trigger, then start the loop again. But I don't know how good you are in programming. I needs a bit of experience to do that.

Stefan

Javier Caravaca wrote:

Hello,

I recently acquired 4 DRS4 boards and I wanted to ask if it was possible to trigger them independently from the same computer.

I know that you can daisy-chain boards and trigger them all at the same time, but in my case, each of my boards record independent events, so I want them to trigger when trigger conditions are met in each board. I currently use the provided DRSOSC software, that can trigger on only the board that is being displayed at that moment. I tried opening several instances of DRSOSC to associate each to each board, but that is not possible since the second instance already does not find the boards. I wonder if there is a way of triggering from each board independently without having to use four computers.

Thank you,

Javier.

 

       Reply  Tue Oct 26 23:18:32 2021, Javier Caravaca, Trigger multiple boards independently 

Thank you Stefan. Actually I noticed that the source code of drs_exam was available after I started this thread, and that was the solution that occurred to me too. I'll give that a try.

A related question is: if the 4 boards are triggering at max rate (500Hz), would the total data throughtput (of the four boards together) be 2GHz (500Hz x 4)? Or is the limitation on the readout, rather than the triggering?

Best,

Javier.

Stefan Ritt wrote:

Unfortunately an independent operation from a single computer is not supported by the software. You can try to modify the drs_exam program and extend it. You can poll all boards in sequence and just read out that one which got a trigger, then start the loop again. But I don't know how good you are in programming. I needs a bit of experience to do that.

Stefan

Javier Caravaca wrote:

Hello,

I recently acquired 4 DRS4 boards and I wanted to ask if it was possible to trigger them independently from the same computer.

I know that you can daisy-chain boards and trigger them all at the same time, but in my case, each of my boards record independent events, so I want them to trigger when trigger conditions are met in each board. I currently use the provided DRSOSC software, that can trigger on only the board that is being displayed at that moment. I tried opening several instances of DRSOSC to associate each to each board, but that is not possible since the second instance already does not find the boards. I wonder if there is a way of triggering from each board independently without having to use four computers.

Thank you,

Javier.

 

 

          Reply  Wed Oct 27 08:11:42 2021, Stefan Ritt, Trigger multiple boards independently 

I'm not sure if the rate would go up to 2 kHz (not 2 GHz!). Depends how the USB hub is designed. What you can do however is to buy 4 RaspberryPis (total cost 150$) and run everythign in parallel. The evaluation boards works nicely with the Pi's.

Javier Caravaca wrote:

A related question is: if the 4 boards are triggering at max rate (500Hz), would the total data throughtput (of the four boards together) be 2GHz (500Hz x 4)? Or is the limitation on the readout, rather than the triggering?

Entry  Tue Oct 26 10:41:46 2021, Mehrpad Monajem, External trigger and drs_exam 

Hi Stefan,


I have two problems regarding using the drs_exam file with external trigger:


1- I connected a 200Khz signal with 20ns rising edge, 50 ohm load, and 27% duty cycle as an external trigger. The output of the drs_exam file starts from 0 to 200ns. Since I use an external trigger, I think it should be starting from 0 to 5ns and then again starting from 0. Could you please tell me where the problem is?

2- How is it possible to change from 1024 to 2048 bins in the drs_exam example?

 

You can find my code in the attachment.

Best regards,
Mehrpad

    Reply  Tue Oct 26 12:00:51 2021, Stefan Ritt, External trigger and drs_exam 

1. Why should your waveform start from 0 to 5ns? I don't get your point. Whenever you trigger a readout, you get a 200ns wide time window, and by definition it starts at zero.

2. In the software distribution you have a drs_exam_2048.cpp program. Note that your board needs to be physically modified before delivery to switch to 2048 bins.

Best,
Stefan

Mehrpad Monajem wrote:

Hi Stefan,


I have two problems regarding using the drs_exam file with external trigger:


1- I connected a 200Khz signal with 20ns rising edge, 50 ohm load, and 27% duty cycle as an external trigger. The output of the drs_exam file starts from 0 to 200ns. Since I use an external trigger, I think it should be starting from 0 to 5ns and then again starting from 0. Could you please tell me where the problem is?

2- How is it possible to change from 1024 to 2048 bins in the drs_exam example?

 

You can find my code in the attachment.

Best regards,
Mehrpad

 

       Reply  Tue Oct 26 15:05:18 2021, Mehrpad Monajem, External trigger and drs_exam 

Thanks for your reply.

1- I want to have a window size of 25.6ns instead of 200ns at 5GSPS. I have a 200khz high voltage pulser, which applies a pulse to my sample. I want to digitize the detector signal for each pulse (each pulse has a 25.6ns period). The pulser and digitizer use same 200khz trigger signal from each channel of the signal generator.

2- My DRS board has a 2048 combined stick on it. But the software distribution that I have doesn't contain the drs_exam_2048.cpp program. Could you please send the link that I can download this program? I can't find it under the link below.

link: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/clqo7ekr0ysbrip/AACoWJzrQAbf3WiBJHG89bGGa?dl=0

Best regards,

Mehrpad

Stefan Ritt wrote:

1. Why should your waveform start from 0 to 5ns? I don't get your point. Whenever you trigger a readout, you get a 200ns wide time window, and by definition it starts at zero.

2. In the software distribution you have a drs_exam_2048.cpp program. Note that your board needs to be physically modified before delivery to switch to 2048 bins.

Best,
Stefan

Mehrpad Monajem wrote:

Hi Stefan,


I have two problems regarding using the drs_exam file with external trigger:


1- I connected a 200Khz signal with 20ns rising edge, 50 ohm load, and 27% duty cycle as an external trigger. The output of the drs_exam file starts from 0 to 200ns. Since I use an external trigger, I think it should be starting from 0 to 5ns and then again starting from 0. Could you please tell me where the problem is?

2- How is it possible to change from 1024 to 2048 bins in the drs_exam example?

 

You can find my code in the attachment.

Best regards,
Mehrpad

 

 

Entry  Thu Oct 14 15:19:00 2021, Keita Mizukoshi, livetime (or deadtime) of DRS4 evaluation board 

Dear experts,

 

I would like to use the DRS4 evaluation board for actual physics experiment.

I made a CUI script based on the drs_exam, https://github.com/mzks/drs4_tools/blob/main/build/source/drscmd.cpp.

In this framework, how can we obtain DAQ livetime (or deadtime)?

Has some function already provided to evaluate them from firmware?

 

Best regards,

Keita

    Reply  Thu Oct 14 15:25:07 2021, Stefan Ritt, livetime (or deadtime) of DRS4 evaluation board 

The one thing you can do easily is to look at the scaler values. If one channel counts all physical events, and you have all read out events, then the ratio give you the live/deadtime. The hardware scalers also keep running during the DRS readout.

Stefan

Keita Mizukoshi wrote:

Dear experts,

 

I would like to use the DRS4 evaluation board for actual physics experiment.

I made a CUI script based on the drs_exam, https://github.com/mzks/drs4_tools/blob/main/build/source/drscmd.cpp.

In this framework, how can we obtain DAQ livetime (or deadtime)?

Has some function already provided to evaluate them from firmware?

 

Best regards,

Keita

 

       Reply  Thu Oct 14 18:03:52 2021, Keita Mizukoshi, livetime (or deadtime) of DRS4 evaluation board 

Thank you very much for your response.
Excuse me for my very stupid confirmation.
If I take N events finally and the hardware scaler value is M, the livetime is realtime*(N/M). Is this correct?

Stefan Ritt wrote:

The one thing you can do easily is to look at the scaler values. If one channel counts all physical events, and you have all read out events, then the ratio give you the live/deadtime. The hardware scalers also keep running during the DRS readout.

Stefan

Keita Mizukoshi wrote:

Dear experts,

 

I would like to use the DRS4 evaluation board for actual physics experiment.

I made a CUI script based on the drs_exam, https://github.com/mzks/drs4_tools/blob/main/build/source/drscmd.cpp.

In this framework, how can we obtain DAQ livetime (or deadtime)?

Has some function already provided to evaluate them from firmware?

 

Best regards,

Keita

 

 

          Reply  Thu Oct 14 18:42:31 2021, Stefan Ritt, livetime (or deadtime) of DRS4 evaluation board 

I would say not exactly, but it's a good approximation.

Keita Mizukoshi wrote:

Thank you very much for your response.
Excuse me for my very stupid confirmation.
If I take N events finally and the hardware scaler value is M, the livetime is realtime*(N/M). Is this correct

             Reply  Fri Oct 15 06:15:53 2021, Keita Mizukoshi, livetime (or deadtime) of DRS4 evaluation board 

Thank you very much.

Stefan Ritt wrote:

I would say not exactly, but it's a good approximation.

Keita Mizukoshi wrote:

Thank you very much for your response.
Excuse me for my very stupid confirmation.
If I take N events finally and the hardware scaler value is M, the livetime is realtime*(N/M). Is this correct

 

Entry  Thu Sep 16 19:04:06 2021, Patrick Moriishi Freeman, drs_exam_multi with non-v4 boards, default configuration 

Hello, 

I made a modified version drs_exam_multi.cpp, but ran into an issue when running.  When I ran it, it only found the two boards with lower serial numbers (2781 and 2879) and complained that the others (2880 and 2881) were not v4. Would there be a simple workaround for this type of thing? Also, would I be able to use the .dat format to keep the file sizes down. 

If not, I am curious if there is a way I can at least set a default configuration for the drsosc program. It seems the drsosc.cfg is written when drsosc starts? Does it load the configuration from somewhere else? It would be very helpful to keep the same settings between runs, in particular the trigger delays, levels, trigger mode, and voltage offsets. Maybe I can even do this with just a few of the CLI commands? I know this is for experts only, but I think I would just need a few commands (setTrig, setTrigMode,  setTrigDelay, that sort of thing) if they do exist. I would check the help now, but I'm running, and I'm pretty sure I saw some for trigger settings. 

Anyhow, any help is appreciated in creating a more repeatable and automated data acquisition. Thanks!

 

    Reply  Sat Sep 18 15:48:30 2021, Stefan Ritt, drs_exam_multi with non-v4 boards, default configuration 

Hi,

please note the the evaluation board is what it says, a board to evaluate the chip, and is not meant for a full-blown shiny multi-board DAQ channel, so support for that is kind of limited.

Strange that you only find two out of four boards. What happens if you disconnect the two boards the system finds and then try again? Might be that your USB hub does not have enough power to supply four boards (each taking 2.5W, so you need 10W in total). Unplugging some board will show you if you have a power problem.

The drsosc.cfg stores the current configuration. For this to work, the drsosc program has to have write access to the directory where the drsosc.cfg program is stored, which is usually the directory from where the program is started. Maybe you have to adjust permissions. Yes you have commands to set everything, just look into drs_exam.cpp and you will find most of them.

Best,
Stefan

Patrick Moriishi Freeman wrote:

Hello, 

I made a modified version drs_exam_multi.cpp, but ran into an issue when running.  When I ran it, it only found the two boards with lower serial numbers (2781 and 2879) and complained that the others (2880 and 2881) were not v4. Would there be a simple workaround for this type of thing? Also, would I be able to use the .dat format to keep the file sizes down. 

If not, I am curious if there is a way I can at least set a default configuration for the drsosc program. It seems the drsosc.cfg is written when drsosc starts? Does it load the configuration from somewhere else? It would be very helpful to keep the same settings between runs, in particular the trigger delays, levels, trigger mode, and voltage offsets. Maybe I can even do this with just a few of the CLI commands? I know this is for experts only, but I think I would just need a few commands (setTrig, setTrigMode,  setTrigDelay, that sort of thing) if they do exist. I would check the help now, but I'm running, and I'm pretty sure I saw some for trigger settings. 

Anyhow, any help is appreciated in creating a more repeatable and automated data acquisition. Thanks!

 

 

Entry  Wed Jul 14 14:55:09 2021, Mehrpad Monajem, C code to read the 4 channel with external trigger 

Hi there,

Recently I bought a 5GSPS evaluation board with 2048 sampling points.
I want to read 4 inputs of the evaluation bord ar 5 GSPS or 2.5GSP and use an external trigger.
I've checked your website and download drs-5.0.5 which contains the source code in C. It seems that the file drs_exam.cpp can do what I am looking for.
So far I could make and compile the project in Linux Ubuntu, but I couldn't compile it in Windows 10.  I've used Cygwin64 to compile the project in windows 10.

I have the following questions:

1- Since I only need to compile the drs_exam.cpp file, could please help me with how can I compile it directly(without making the entire project). Or tell me which version of Wxwidget and libusb I have to install.

2- If you have any sample code that can read 4 inputs with an external trigger, please tell me where can I find it.

In the end, I want to write a wrapper on this C file(which returns digitized data) and run it from my python program. Thank you in advance.
Best regards,
Mehrpad

 

    Reply  Mon Aug 9 12:50:31 2021, Stefan Ritt, C code to read the 4 channel with external trigger 

Sorry the late reply, I was on vacation. 

Here are some answers:

1. I'm sorry I can't help much here, since I currently don't have a Windows 10 computer here to compile any code. I moved now completely to MacOSX, being very similar to Linux. I'm not allowed to run a Windows 7 computer any more for security reasons. Last time this worked for me was with Wxwidget version 3.0 and libusb 1.0, but I guess libusb is not critical so you can use a newer version. If you just compile drs_exam.cpp, you don't need any Wxwidget library. That one is only used for the oscilloscope program.

2. The program drs_exam_2048.cpp is meant to read channels in 2048-bin mode.

3. To adjust the delay between the trigger and the readout, use the function b->SetTriggerDelayNs(xxx)

Best,
Stefan

Mehrpad Monajem wrote:

Hi there,

Recently I bought a 5GSPS evaluation board with 2048 sampling points.
I want to read 4 inputs of the evaluation bord ar 5 GSPS or 2.5GSP and use an external trigger.
I've checked your website and download drs-5.0.5 which contains the source code in C. It seems that the file drs_exam.cpp can do what I am looking for.
So far I could make and compile the project in Linux Ubuntu, but I couldn't compile it in Windows 10.  I've used Cygwin64 to compile the project in windows 10.

I have the following questions:

1- Since I only need to compile the drs_exam.cpp file, could please help me with how can I compile it directly(without making the entire project). Or tell me which version of Wxwidget and libusb I have to install.

2- If you have any sample code that can read 4 inputs with an external trigger, please tell me where can I find it.

In the end, I want to write a wrapper on this C file(which returns digitized data) and run it from my python program. Thank you in advance.
Best regards,
Mehrpad

 

 

       Reply  Tue Aug 10 13:57:09 2021, Mehrpad Monajem, C code to read the 4 channel with external trigger 

Thank you for the reply.

In the version that I have, I cannot find drs_exam_2048.cpp file. Could you please send me the link to download the software folder, which contain this file.

Best,

Mehrpad

Stefan Ritt wrote:

Sorry the late reply, I was on vacation. 

Here are some answers:

1. I'm sorry I can't help much here, since I currently don't have a Windows 10 computer here to compile any code. I moved now completely to MacOSX, being very similar to Linux. I'm not allowed to run a Windows 7 computer any more for security reasons. Last time this worked for me was with Wxwidget version 3.0 and libusb 1.0, but I guess libusb is not critical so you can use a newer version. If you just compile drs_exam.cpp, you don't need any Wxwidget library. That one is only used for the oscilloscope program.

2. The program drs_exam_2048.cpp is meant to read channels in 2048-bin mode.

3. To adjust the delay between the trigger and the readout, use the function b->SetTriggerDelayNs(xxx)

Best,
Stefan

Mehrpad Monajem wrote:

Hi there,

Recently I bought a 5GSPS evaluation board with 2048 sampling points.
I want to read 4 inputs of the evaluation bord ar 5 GSPS or 2.5GSP and use an external trigger.
I've checked your website and download drs-5.0.5 which contains the source code in C. It seems that the file drs_exam.cpp can do what I am looking for.
So far I could make and compile the project in Linux Ubuntu, but I couldn't compile it in Windows 10.  I've used Cygwin64 to compile the project in windows 10.

I have the following questions:

1- Since I only need to compile the drs_exam.cpp file, could please help me with how can I compile it directly(without making the entire project). Or tell me which version of Wxwidget and libusb I have to install.

2- If you have any sample code that can read 4 inputs with an external trigger, please tell me where can I find it.

In the end, I want to write a wrapper on this C file(which returns digitized data) and run it from my python program. Thank you in advance.
Best regards,
Mehrpad

 

 

 

Entry  Tue May 4 21:18:28 2021, Abaz Kryemadhi, recording only timestamp and amplitude and/or filesize maximum 

Hi,

I have been collecting some date using the DRS4 board at a trigger rate of 10-20 Hz,    I only need the timestamp and the amplitude, is there anyway to select only these two live as the data comes in to be stored. 

Alternatively,  What's the maximum file size or maximum number of events I can store in one binary file in linux. 

Thanks,

Best,

Abaz

    Reply  Wed May 5 10:12:44 2021, Stefan Ritt, recording only timestamp and amplitude and/or filesize maximum 

The maximum file size depends on the underlying linux file system. Common values are 4-16 GBytes.

Stefan

Abaz Kryemadhi wrote:

Hi,

I have been collecting some date using the DRS4 board at a trigger rate of 10-20 Hz,    I only need the timestamp and the amplitude, is there anyway to select only these two live as the data comes in to be stored. 

Alternatively,  What's the maximum file size or maximum number of events I can store in one binary file in linux. 

Thanks,

Best,

Abaz

 

Entry  Wed Apr 7 03:29:39 2021, Sean Quinn, Unexpected noise in muxout: t_samp related? transp_example.PNGtransp_readout_example_noise.PNGdrs_datasheet_fig11.PNGr0_r1_delay.png

Dear DRS4 team,

I'm experiencing some issues that seem to be isolated to the ASIC, and would like to understand if we are doing something wrong. There are several items to address in the post.

First, I do not think the noise observed is being injected from elsewhere on the board. If I run the DRS in transparent mode, the baseline noise is low, on order 3.5 mV (60 ADU), perhaps radiated from a clock. See below image. The scale is 0 to 1000 ADU with LSB = 6 uV (same AD9245 as eval board.). The DRS is in RUNNING state, I have forced a trigger in the ILA. This is for a single channel, CH0, 1024 cells.

 

 

In the next image, I show the waveform obtained from a full readout. This corresponds to ADC_READOUT state, and the plot uses the same 1000 ADU scale. Noise seems around 350 ADU now, many factors worse than before.

We've spent a lot of time trying to understand what's happening. One area that would be helpful to get some guidance on is the "t_samp" parameter. In Fig. 11 of the data sheet, should there be a t_samp label between t_s and t_clk? It just has arrows there with some width.

 

 

In our current firmware I believe R1 is simply one clock after R0 (for both ROI and full readout mode). Would this lead to the added noise observed in muxout?

 

This leads to the next question on what to actually use for t_samp. In the data sheet, page 4 "Timing Characteristics" it says to use t_samp = t0 + t_clk. Additionally, t0= 10 ns from that table. Fair enough.

 

But if I check this against the eval board timing, I see very different values. Here the clock is 15 MHz so t_clk=67 ns (I note another post about this topic https://elog.psi.ch/elogs/DRS4+Forum/713), so I expect t_samp = 77 ns. But in practice it looks like the R0 to R1 delay is ~465 ns? (cyan=RSRLOAD, yellow=SRCLK)

Given this, is t_samp a value that should be tuned by the user?

 

Best regards,

Sean

 

    Reply  Wed Apr 7 08:26:12 2021, Stefan Ritt, Unexpected noise in muxout: t_samp related? 

Dear Sean,

noise in transparent mode comes from some coupling to your system clock. But 3.5 mV RMS seems rather hight to me. You should get it to below 1 mV if the DRS4 input is clean (try to short it).

The noise in the readout is expected. It looks exactly as Plot3 from the data sheet. You have to calibrate it away with a fixed offset for each cell as described in this paper: https://arxiv.org/abs/1405.4975 (paragraph IV. A. Voltage Calibration).

Concerning t_samp: Fig 11 in the datasheet just tells you that the rising edge of the SRCLK should come later than t_s after the address change. t_s is the setup time and 5 ns. Fig 12 tells you that the ADC should sample the analog output of the DRS t_samp after the address change A0-A3 and t_samp after the rising edge of SRCLK. 

The digitizing speed of the evaluation board is indeed 15 MHz instead of the maximum 30 MHz, because this was easier to program in the FPGA. The t_samp has to be there so that the analog output signal of the DRS4 settles to its final value after each SRCLK pulse. If you sample "too early", you sample with the ADC the output when it is sill moving. So you have to wait until the analog is settled, but just before the next DRS sample becomes visible at the output. You can fine tune this with a differential probe at the DRS4 analog output (on a single ended probe you might drown in noise) on one channel of yoru scope and the ADC sample clock on the other channel of your scope. Note that the ADC sample clock cannot be derived straight from your FPGA clock, but you need some clock manager to fine-adjust its phase in 1ns steps.

But again, looking at your output, everything seems fine. You see the 5mV rms noise indicated in the datasheet table 1, which translates to about 20 mV peak-to-peak. If you do the offset calibration, this should go down to below 1 mV.

Best,
Stefan

Sean Quinn wrote:

Dear DRS4 team,

I'm experiencing some issues that seem to be isolated to the ASIC, and would like to understand if we are doing something wrong. There are several items to address in the post.

First, I do not think the noise observed is being injected from elsewhere on the board. If I run the DRS in transparent mode, the baseline noise is low, on order 3.5 mV (60 ADU), perhaps radiated from a clock. See below image. The scale is 0 to 1000 ADU with LSB = 6 uV (same AD9245 as eval board.). The DRS is in RUNNING state, I have forced a trigger in the ILA. This is for a single channel, CH0, 1024 cells.

 

 

In the next image, I show the waveform obtained from a full readout. This corresponds to ADC_READOUT state, and the plot uses the same 1000 ADU scale. Noise seems around 350 ADU now, many factors worse than before.

We've spent a lot of time trying to understand what's happening. One area that would be helpful to get some guidance on is the "t_samp" parameter. In Fig. 11 of the data sheet, should there be a t_samp label between t_s and t_clk? It just has arrows there with some width.

 

 

In our current firmware I believe R1 is simply one clock after R0 (for both ROI and full readout mode). Would this lead to the added noise observed in muxout?

 

This leads to the next question on what to actually use for t_samp. In the data sheet, page 4 "Timing Characteristics" it says to use t_samp = t0 + t_clk. Additionally, t0= 10 ns from that table. Fair enough.

 

But if I check this against the eval board timing, I see very different values. Here the clock is 15 MHz so t_clk=67 ns (I note another post about this topic https://elog.psi.ch/elogs/DRS4+Forum/713), so I expect t_samp = 77 ns. But in practice it looks like the R0 to R1 delay is ~465 ns? (cyan=RSRLOAD, yellow=SRCLK)

Given this, is t_samp a value that should be tuned by the user?

 

Best regards,

Sean

 

 

       Reply  Fri Apr 9 20:22:13 2021, Sean Quinn, Unexpected noise in muxout: t_samp related? ex_cal_wave.png

Hi Stefan,

 

Thanks much for the quick reply. Ok, yes, things do seem ok after the offset calibration. I am running into some other issues I could use your advice on but will make a separate thread. As a preview, you can see hints in this waveform (periodic negative spikes).

 This one should be considered resolved.

Stefan Ritt wrote:

Dear Sean,

noise in transparent mode comes from some coupling to your system clock. But 3.5 mV RMS seems rather hight to me. You should get it to below 1 mV if the DRS4 input is clean (try to short it).

The noise in the readout is expected. It looks exactly as Plot3 from the data sheet. You have to calibrate it away with a fixed offset for each cell as described in this paper: https://arxiv.org/abs/1405.4975 (paragraph IV. A. Voltage Calibration).

Concerning t_samp: Fig 11 in the datasheet just tells you that the rising edge of the SRCLK should come later than t_s after the address change. t_s is the setup time and 5 ns. Fig 12 tells you that the ADC should sample the analog output of the DRS t_samp after the address change A0-A3 and t_samp after the rising edge of SRCLK. 

The digitizing speed of the evaluation board is indeed 15 MHz instead of the maximum 30 MHz, because this was easier to program in the FPGA. The t_samp has to be there so that the analog output signal of the DRS4 settles to its final value after each SRCLK pulse. If you sample "too early", you sample with the ADC the output when it is sill moving. So you have to wait until the analog is settled, but just before the next DRS sample becomes visible at the output. You can fine tune this with a differential probe at the DRS4 analog output (on a single ended probe you might drown in noise) on one channel of yoru scope and the ADC sample clock on the other channel of your scope. Note that the ADC sample clock cannot be derived straight from your FPGA clock, but you need some clock manager to fine-adjust its phase in 1ns steps.

But again, looking at your output, everything seems fine. You see the 5mV rms noise indicated in the datasheet table 1, which translates to about 20 mV peak-to-peak. If you do the offset calibration, this should go down to below 1 mV.

Best,
Stefan

Sean Quinn wrote:

Dear DRS4 team,

I'm experiencing some issues that seem to be isolated to the ASIC, and would like to understand if we are doing something wrong. There are several items to address in the post.

First, I do not think the noise observed is being injected from elsewhere on the board. If I run the DRS in transparent mode, the baseline noise is low, on order 3.5 mV (60 ADU), perhaps radiated from a clock. See below image. The scale is 0 to 1000 ADU with LSB = 6 uV (same AD9245 as eval board.). The DRS is in RUNNING state, I have forced a trigger in the ILA. This is for a single channel, CH0, 1024 cells.

 

 

In the next image, I show the waveform obtained from a full readout. This corresponds to ADC_READOUT state, and the plot uses the same 1000 ADU scale. Noise seems around 350 ADU now, many factors worse than before.

We've spent a lot of time trying to understand what's happening. One area that would be helpful to get some guidance on is the "t_samp" parameter. In Fig. 11 of the data sheet, should there be a t_samp label between t_s and t_clk? It just has arrows there with some width.

 

 

In our current firmware I believe R1 is simply one clock after R0 (for both ROI and full readout mode). Would this lead to the added noise observed in muxout?

 

This leads to the next question on what to actually use for t_samp. In the data sheet, page 4 "Timing Characteristics" it says to use t_samp = t0 + t_clk. Additionally, t0= 10 ns from that table. Fair enough.

 

But if I check this against the eval board timing, I see very different values. Here the clock is 15 MHz so t_clk=67 ns (I note another post about this topic https://elog.psi.ch/elogs/DRS4+Forum/713), so I expect t_samp = 77 ns. But in practice it looks like the R0 to R1 delay is ~465 ns? (cyan=RSRLOAD, yellow=SRCLK)

Given this, is t_samp a value that should be tuned by the user?

 

Best regards,

Sean

 

 

 

          Reply  Fri Apr 9 20:55:28 2021, Stefan Ritt, Unexpected noise in muxout: t_samp related? 

If you do the cell calibration correctly, your noise should be ~0.4 mV. You seem to be 2-3x larger. The periodic negative spikes come if you dont' sample at the right time. Adjust t_samp until they are gone.

Stefan

Sean Quinn wrote:

Hi Stefan,

 

Thanks much for the quick reply. Ok, yes, things do seem ok after the offset calibration. I am running into some other issues I could use your advice on but will make a separate thread. As a preview, you can see hints in this waveform (periodic negative spikes).

 This one should be considered resolved.

Stefan Ritt wrote:

Dear Sean,

noise in transparent mode comes from some coupling to your system clock. But 3.5 mV RMS seems rather hight to me. You should get it to below 1 mV if the DRS4 input is clean (try to short it).

The noise in the readout is expected. It looks exactly as Plot3 from the data sheet. You have to calibrate it away with a fixed offset for each cell as described in this paper: https://arxiv.org/abs/1405.4975 (paragraph IV. A. Voltage Calibration).

Concerning t_samp: Fig 11 in the datasheet just tells you that the rising edge of the SRCLK should come later than t_s after the address change. t_s is the setup time and 5 ns. Fig 12 tells you that the ADC should sample the analog output of the DRS t_samp after the address change A0-A3 and t_samp after the rising edge of SRCLK. 

The digitizing speed of the evaluation board is indeed 15 MHz instead of the maximum 30 MHz, because this was easier to program in the FPGA. The t_samp has to be there so that the analog output signal of the DRS4 settles to its final value after each SRCLK pulse. If you sample "too early", you sample with the ADC the output when it is sill moving. So you have to wait until the analog is settled, but just before the next DRS sample becomes visible at the output. You can fine tune this with a differential probe at the DRS4 analog output (on a single ended probe you might drown in noise) on one channel of yoru scope and the ADC sample clock on the other channel of your scope. Note that the ADC sample clock cannot be derived straight from your FPGA clock, but you need some clock manager to fine-adjust its phase in 1ns steps.

But again, looking at your output, everything seems fine. You see the 5mV rms noise indicated in the datasheet table 1, which translates to about 20 mV peak-to-peak. If you do the offset calibration, this should go down to below 1 mV.

Best,
Stefan

Sean Quinn wrote:

Dear DRS4 team,

I'm experiencing some issues that seem to be isolated to the ASIC, and would like to understand if we are doing something wrong. There are several items to address in the post.

First, I do not think the noise observed is being injected from elsewhere on the board. If I run the DRS in transparent mode, the baseline noise is low, on order 3.5 mV (60 ADU), perhaps radiated from a clock. See below image. The scale is 0 to 1000 ADU with LSB = 6 uV (same AD9245 as eval board.). The DRS is in RUNNING state, I have forced a trigger in the ILA. This is for a single channel, CH0, 1024 cells.

 

 

In the next image, I show the waveform obtained from a full readout. This corresponds to ADC_READOUT state, and the plot uses the same 1000 ADU scale. Noise seems around 350 ADU now, many factors worse than before.

We've spent a lot of time trying to understand what's happening. One area that would be helpful to get some guidance on is the "t_samp" parameter. In Fig. 11 of the data sheet, should there be a t_samp label between t_s and t_clk? It just has arrows there with some width.

 

 

In our current firmware I believe R1 is simply one clock after R0 (for both ROI and full readout mode). Would this lead to the added noise observed in muxout?

 

This leads to the next question on what to actually use for t_samp. In the data sheet, page 4 "Timing Characteristics" it says to use t_samp = t0 + t_clk. Additionally, t0= 10 ns from that table. Fair enough.

 

But if I check this against the eval board timing, I see very different values. Here the clock is 15 MHz so t_clk=67 ns (I note another post about this topic https://elog.psi.ch/elogs/DRS4+Forum/713), so I expect t_samp = 77 ns. But in practice it looks like the R0 to R1 delay is ~465 ns? (cyan=RSRLOAD, yellow=SRCLK)

Given this, is t_samp a value that should be tuned by the user?

 

Best regards,

Sean

 

 

 

 

             Reply  Fri Apr 9 21:56:54 2021, Sean Quinn, Unexpected noise in muxout: t_samp related? 

Yes, there is some systematic board noise on this prototype, unfortunately sad

Ok, then it seems the other post I made might still belong in this thread after all.

Thanks for confirming negative spike behavior, we now have a mitigation plan going forward.

 

Cheers,

Stefan Ritt wrote:

If you do the cell calibration correctly, your noise should be ~0.4 mV. You seem to be 2-3x larger. The periodic negative spikes come if you dont' sample at the right time. Adjust t_samp until they are gone.

Stefan

Sean Quinn wrote:

Hi Stefan,

 

Thanks much for the quick reply. Ok, yes, things do seem ok after the offset calibration. I am running into some other issues I could use your advice on but will make a separate thread. As a preview, you can see hints in this waveform (periodic negative spikes).

 This one should be considered resolved.

Stefan Ritt wrote:

Dear Sean,

noise in transparent mode comes from some coupling to your system clock. But 3.5 mV RMS seems rather hight to me. You should get it to below 1 mV if the DRS4 input is clean (try to short it).

The noise in the readout is expected. It looks exactly as Plot3 from the data sheet. You have to calibrate it away with a fixed offset for each cell as described in this paper: https://arxiv.org/abs/1405.4975 (paragraph IV. A. Voltage Calibration).

Concerning t_samp: Fig 11 in the datasheet just tells you that the rising edge of the SRCLK should come later than t_s after the address change. t_s is the setup time and 5 ns. Fig 12 tells you that the ADC should sample the analog output of the DRS t_samp after the address change A0-A3 and t_samp after the rising edge of SRCLK. 

The digitizing speed of the evaluation board is indeed 15 MHz instead of the maximum 30 MHz, because this was easier to program in the FPGA. The t_samp has to be there so that the analog output signal of the DRS4 settles to its final value after each SRCLK pulse. If you sample "too early", you sample with the ADC the output when it is sill moving. So you have to wait until the analog is settled, but just before the next DRS sample becomes visible at the output. You can fine tune this with a differential probe at the DRS4 analog output (on a single ended probe you might drown in noise) on one channel of yoru scope and the ADC sample clock on the other channel of your scope. Note that the ADC sample clock cannot be derived straight from your FPGA clock, but you need some clock manager to fine-adjust its phase in 1ns steps.

But again, looking at your output, everything seems fine. You see the 5mV rms noise indicated in the datasheet table 1, which translates to about 20 mV peak-to-peak. If you do the offset calibration, this should go down to below 1 mV.

Best,
Stefan

Sean Quinn wrote:

Dear DRS4 team,

I'm experiencing some issues that seem to be isolated to the ASIC, and would like to understand if we are doing something wrong. There are several items to address in the post.

First, I do not think the noise observed is being injected from elsewhere on the board. If I run the DRS in transparent mode, the baseline noise is low, on order 3.5 mV (60 ADU), perhaps radiated from a clock. See below image. The scale is 0 to 1000 ADU with LSB = 6 uV (same AD9245 as eval board.). The DRS is in RUNNING state, I have forced a trigger in the ILA. This is for a single channel, CH0, 1024 cells.

 

 

In the next image, I show the waveform obtained from a full readout. This corresponds to ADC_READOUT state, and the plot uses the same 1000 ADU scale. Noise seems around 350 ADU now, many factors worse than before.

We've spent a lot of time trying to understand what's happening. One area that would be helpful to get some guidance on is the "t_samp" parameter. In Fig. 11 of the data sheet, should there be a t_samp label between t_s and t_clk? It just has arrows there with some width.

 

 

In our current firmware I believe R1 is simply one clock after R0 (for both ROI and full readout mode). Would this lead to the added noise observed in muxout?

 

This leads to the next question on what to actually use for t_samp. In the data sheet, page 4 "Timing Characteristics" it says to use t_samp = t0 + t_clk. Additionally, t0= 10 ns from that table. Fair enough.

 

But if I check this against the eval board timing, I see very different values. Here the clock is 15 MHz so t_clk=67 ns (I note another post about this topic https://elog.psi.ch/elogs/DRS4+Forum/713), so I expect t_samp = 77 ns. But in practice it looks like the R0 to R1 delay is ~465 ns? (cyan=RSRLOAD, yellow=SRCLK)

Given this, is t_samp a value that should be tuned by the user?

 

Best regards,

Sean

 

 

 

 

 

Entry  Fri Apr 9 20:29:45 2021, Sean Quinn, Spikes/noise sensitive to clock settings? spikes_16MHz.pngspike_period.pngbetter_spikes_15MHz.pngspike_period_15MHz.png

Dear DRS4 team,

I'm trying to troubleshoot some odd spike behavior. If I run the ADC and SR CLK at 16 MHz (behavior also seen at 33 MHz) we get very noisy data (post-calibration) with periodic spikes.

In the below plot

  • CH0 & CH1 are muon pulses from a scintillator + SiPM detector
  • CH8 is a 25 MHz sinewave (in phase with all generated board clocks)
  • Transparent mode = ON
  • ROI = OFF, "full readout mode", first sample = cell 0
  • DRS REFCLK = 1 MHz (2 GS/s)
  • ADC & SR CLK = 16 MHz, 0 deg. offset

 

After I modify some clock settings, things seem to improve dramatically, and the spike behavior changes

  • ADC and SR CLK = 15 MHz, 0 deg. offset
  • Transparent mode = ON
  • ROI = ON (just for testing purposes)
  • Add 1.064 ns skew to DRS REF CLK
  • NOTE: Unfortunately due to a design mishap, the ADC and FPGA clock use a phase-locked output pair on our clock synthesis chip, so we cannot fine-tune the skew for it.

Observed differences

  • Spike polarity seems inverted
  • Spikes limited to smaller number of cells now?
  • Spike amplitude reduced
  • Overall baseline variance seems better
  • New large positive spike artifact on CH0 that seems inverted on CH1
  • CH8 seems unaffected by large spikes?

Artifacts seem related to clock configuration, but I am sort of in the dark on what might be happening from a first-principles point of view. Any tips?

 

Warm regards,

Sean

    Reply  Fri Apr 9 21:38:59 2021, Stefan Ritt, Spikes/noise sensitive to clock settings? 

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Sean Quinn wrote:

Dear DRS4 team,

I'm trying to troubleshoot some odd spike behavior. If I run the ADC and SR CLK at 16 MHz (behavior also seen at 33 MHz) we get very noisy data (post-calibration) with periodic spikes.

In the below plot

  • CH0 & CH1 are muon pulses from a scintillator + SiPM detector
  • CH8 is a 25 MHz sinewave (in phase with all generated board clocks)
  • Transparent mode = ON
  • ROI = OFF, "full readout mode", first sample = cell 0
  • DRS REFCLK = 1 MHz (2 GS/s)
  • ADC & SR CLK = 16 MHz, 0 deg. offset

 

After I modify some clock settings, things seem to improve dramatically, and the spike behavior changes

  • ADC and SR CLK = 15 MHz, 0 deg. offset
  • Transparent mode = ON
  • ROI = ON (just for testing purposes)
  • Add 1.064 ns skew to DRS REF CLK
  • NOTE: Unfortunately due to a design mishap, the ADC and FPGA clock use a phase-locked output pair on our clock synthesis chip, so we cannot fine-tune the skew for it.

Observed differences

  • Spike polarity seems inverted
  • Spikes limited to smaller number of cells now?
  • Spike amplitude reduced
  • Overall baseline variance seems better
  • New large positive spike artifact on CH0 that seems inverted on CH1
  • CH8 seems unaffected by large spikes?

Artifacts seem related to clock configuration, but I am sort of in the dark on what might be happening from a first-principles point of view. Any tips?

 

Warm regards,

Sean

 

Entry  Fri Feb 26 17:05:26 2021, Tom Schneider, Trouble getting PLL to lock 

Hello,

I am working on a custom PCB design with the DRS4 chip, and I can't get the PLL to lock.  I'm feeding CLKIN with a 1MHz CMOS clock (REFCLK- tied to VDD/2), and I'm using the same loop filter as the eval board.  I see from the datasheet that the PLL is enabled by default, so I'm not writing anything to the config register on startup.  I am just driving DENABLE high approx. 100ms after startup and looking for the PLL lock bit to go high.  When I look at DTAP, I see a 3MHz signal.  Can anyone tell me what I'm doing wrong?

-Tom

    Reply  Fri Feb 26 17:59:14 2021, Stefan Ritt, Trouble getting PLL to lock 

I guess you mean "1 MHz clock at REFCLK+", and not CLKIN, there is no CLKIN, just a SRCLK, but that is someting else!

There could be many reasons why this is not working. It's hard for me to debug your board without actually having it in hands. So just some ideas:

- Supply a clean differential REFCLK, I never tried one end tied to VDD/2

- Is /RESET high?

- Is BIAS at roughly 0.7V?

- Is A0-A3 different from 1111, which puts the chip in standby

- Did you double check your loop filter?

The easiest usually is to start from a running evaluation board, then compare all pins 1:1 with your board.

Stefan

Tom Schneider wrote:

Hello,

I am working on a custom PCB design with the DRS4 chip, and I can't get the PLL to lock.  I'm feeding CLKIN with a 1MHz CMOS clock (REFCLK- tied to VDD/2), and I'm using the same loop filter as the eval board.  I see from the datasheet that the PLL is enabled by default, so I'm not writing anything to the config register on startup.  I am just driving DENABLE high approx. 100ms after startup and looking for the PLL lock bit to go high.  When I look at DTAP, I see a 3MHz signal.  Can anyone tell me what I'm doing wrong?

-Tom

 

       Reply  Fri Feb 26 18:33:52 2021, Tom Schneider, Trouble getting PLL to lock 

Stefan,

Thanks for responding so quickly.  Yes I have my clock source going to REFCLK+ (CLKIN is the signal name on my schematic).  BIAS is 0.7V exactly, /RESET is high, A0-A3 are 0x0000, and the loop filter has a 4.7nF cap to GND with a 130ohm resistor + 1uF cap in parallel, just like the eval board.

Regarding the clock - I am not using an LVDS clock, but rather a 2.5V-level clock signal, with REFCLK- tied to 1.25V.  Sheet 9 of the datasheet states:  If no LVDS reference clock signal is available, a CMOS signal can be connected to REFCLK+ and the REFCLK input is connected to VDD/2 via a resistor divider.

Is that not a true statement?

-Tom
 

Stefan Ritt wrote:

I guess you mean "1 MHz clock at REFCLK+", and not CLKIN, there is no CLKIN, just a SRCLK, but that is someting else!

There could be many reasons why this is not working. It's hard for me to debug your board without actually having it in hands. So just some ideas:

- Supply a clean differential REFCLK, I never tried one end tied to VDD/2

- Is /RESET high?

- Is BIAS at roughly 0.7V?

- Is A0-A3 different from 1111, which puts the chip in standby

- Did you double check your loop filter?

The easiest usually is to start from a running evaluation board, then compare all pins 1:1 with your board.

Stefan

Tom Schneider wrote:

Hello,

I am working on a custom PCB design with the DRS4 chip, and I can't get the PLL to lock.  I'm feeding CLKIN with a 1MHz CMOS clock (REFCLK- tied to VDD/2), and I'm using the same loop filter as the eval board.  I see from the datasheet that the PLL is enabled by default, so I'm not writing anything to the config register on startup.  I am just driving DENABLE high approx. 100ms after startup and looking for the PLL lock bit to go high.  When I look at DTAP, I see a 3MHz signal.  Can anyone tell me what I'm doing wrong?

-Tom

 

 

          Reply  Fri Feb 26 20:32:25 2021, Stefan Ritt, Trouble getting PLL to lock 

Can you post a scope trace of your refclk together with DTAP, DSPEED and DENABLE?

Tom Schneider wrote:

Stefan,

Thanks for responding so quickly.  Yes I have my clock source going to REFCLK+ (CLKIN is the signal name on my schematic).  BIAS is 0.7V exactly, /RESET is high, A0-A3 are 0x0000, and the loop filter has a 4.7nF cap to GND with a 130ohm resistor + 1uF cap in parallel, just like the eval board.

Regarding the clock - I am not using an LVDS clock, but rather a 2.5V-level clock signal, with REFCLK- tied to 1.25V.  Sheet 9 of the datasheet states:  If no LVDS reference clock signal is available, a CMOS signal can be connected to REFCLK+ and the REFCLK input is connected to VDD/2 via a resistor divider.

Is that not a true statement?

-Tom
 

Stefan Ritt wrote:

I guess you mean "1 MHz clock at REFCLK+", and not CLKIN, there is no CLKIN, just a SRCLK, but that is someting else!

There could be many reasons why this is not working. It's hard for me to debug your board without actually having it in hands. So just some ideas:

- Supply a clean differential REFCLK, I never tried one end tied to VDD/2

- Is /RESET high?

- Is BIAS at roughly 0.7V?

- Is A0-A3 different from 1111, which puts the chip in standby

- Did you double check your loop filter?

The easiest usually is to start from a running evaluation board, then compare all pins 1:1 with your board.

Stefan

Tom Schneider wrote:

Hello,

I am working on a custom PCB design with the DRS4 chip, and I can't get the PLL to lock.  I'm feeding CLKIN with a 1MHz CMOS clock (REFCLK- tied to VDD/2), and I'm using the same loop filter as the eval board.  I see from the datasheet that the PLL is enabled by default, so I'm not writing anything to the config register on startup.  I am just driving DENABLE high approx. 100ms after startup and looking for the PLL lock bit to go high.  When I look at DTAP, I see a 3MHz signal.  Can anyone tell me what I'm doing wrong?

-Tom

 

 

 

             Reply  Fri Feb 26 21:24:39 2021, Tom Schneider, Trouble getting PLL to lock 

Probe capacitance makes that tricky - if I put my probe on DSPEED, I see that it starts at approx. 2.5V then gradually decreases until it hits 0V.  DTAP decreases from 3MHz to 0 during this time.

I'll try to get something together to show you.

Stefan Ritt wrote:

Can you post a scope trace of your refclk together with DTAP, DSPEED and DENABLE?

Tom Schneider wrote:

Stefan,

Thanks for responding so quickly.  Yes I have my clock source going to REFCLK+ (CLKIN is the signal name on my schematic).  BIAS is 0.7V exactly, /RESET is high, A0-A3 are 0x0000, and the loop filter has a 4.7nF cap to GND with a 130ohm resistor + 1uF cap in parallel, just like the eval board.

Regarding the clock - I am not using an LVDS clock, but rather a 2.5V-level clock signal, with REFCLK- tied to 1.25V.  Sheet 9 of the datasheet states:  If no LVDS reference clock signal is available, a CMOS signal can be connected to REFCLK+ and the REFCLK input is connected to VDD/2 via a resistor divider.

Is that not a true statement?

-Tom
 

Stefan Ritt wrote:

I guess you mean "1 MHz clock at REFCLK+", and not CLKIN, there is no CLKIN, just a SRCLK, but that is someting else!

There could be many reasons why this is not working. It's hard for me to debug your board without actually having it in hands. So just some ideas:

- Supply a clean differential REFCLK, I never tried one end tied to VDD/2

- Is /RESET high?

- Is BIAS at roughly 0.7V?

- Is A0-A3 different from 1111, which puts the chip in standby

- Did you double check your loop filter?

The easiest usually is to start from a running evaluation board, then compare all pins 1:1 with your board.

Stefan

Tom Schneider wrote:

Hello,

I am working on a custom PCB design with the DRS4 chip, and I can't get the PLL to lock.  I'm feeding CLKIN with a 1MHz CMOS clock (REFCLK- tied to VDD/2), and I'm using the same loop filter as the eval board.  I see from the datasheet that the PLL is enabled by default, so I'm not writing anything to the config register on startup.  I am just driving DENABLE high approx. 100ms after startup and looking for the PLL lock bit to go high.  When I look at DTAP, I see a 3MHz signal.  Can anyone tell me what I'm doing wrong?

-Tom

 

 

 

 

                Reply  Fri Feb 26 22:12:58 2021, Stefan Ritt, Trouble getting PLL to lock 

Sounds to me like your REFCLK is not getting through or your PLL loop is open. Could be a bad solder connection. Try to measure signals not on the PCB trace, but directly on the DRS4 pins. Drive REFCLK with a proper LVDS signal. Maybe it's wrong what I wrote in the data sheet and the trick with VDD/2 is not really working.

Stefan

                   Reply  Fri Feb 26 22:52:13 2021, Tom Schneider, Trouble getting PLL to lock 

Thats not a simple modification to my PCB, but I'll give it a try.  Thanks for your help

Stefan Ritt wrote:

Sounds to me like your REFCLK is not getting through or your PLL loop is open. Could be a bad solder connection. Try to measure signals not on the PCB trace, but directly on the DRS4 pins. Drive REFCLK with a proper LVDS signal. Maybe it's wrong what I wrote in the data sheet and the trick with VDD/2 is not really working.

Stefan

 

                      Reply  Thu Mar 4 21:36:14 2021, Tom Schneider, Trouble getting PLL to lock 

I found the problem, and it had nothing to do with the CMOS clock input.  As it turns out, even though I was using the default state of the config register, I still had to write to it after powerup.  Once I did that, the PLL locked immediately.

-Tom

Tom Schneider wrote:

Thats not a simple modification to my PCB, but I'll give it a try.  Thanks for your help

Stefan Ritt wrote:

Sounds to me like your REFCLK is not getting through or your PLL loop is open. Could be a bad solder connection. Try to measure signals not on the PCB trace, but directly on the DRS4 pins. Drive REFCLK with a proper LVDS signal. Maybe it's wrong what I wrote in the data sheet and the trick with VDD/2 is not really working.

Stefan

 

 

                         Reply  Fri Mar 5 09:39:42 2021, Stefan Ritt, Trouble getting PLL to lock 

That probably depends on the way your FPGA boots. If the SRCLK signal goes high after the SRIN - even a few ns - you might clock one or two zeros into the config register, thus disabling the PLL. Shame that I haven't thought of this before.

Stefan

Entry  Thu Feb 25 17:56:39 2021, Matthias Plum, DRS spike removal for multiple waveforms 

Hi,

Is there a way that someone can help me and my student to enable RemoveSymmetricSpikes function in the drs_exam.cpp? We are not 100% sure how to call the function if you want to read out four waveforms.

Cheers,

Matthias

    Reply  Fri Feb 26 08:52:50 2021, Stefan Ritt, DRS spike removal for multiple waveforms 

Just look at the definition of the function below, all parameters are explained there. In meantime we have a firmware fix to avoid the spikes inside the chip, but I have not yet found time to update the evaluation board.

Stefan

void DRSBoard::RemoveSymmetricSpikes(short **wf, int nwf,
                                     short diffThreshold, int spikeWidth,
                                     short maxPeakToPeak, short spikeVoltage,
                                     int nTimeRegionThreshold)
{
   // Remove a specific kind of spike on DRS4.
   // This spike has some features,
   //  - Common on all the channels on a chip
   //  - Constant heigh and width
   //  - Two spikes per channel
   //  - Symmetric to cell #0.
   //
   // This is not general purpose spike-removing function.
   // 
   // wf                   : Waveform data. cell#0 must be at bin0,
   //                        and number of bins must be kNumberOfBins.
   // nwf                  : Number of channels which "wf" holds.
   // diffThreshold        : Amplitude threshold to find peak
   // spikeWidth           : Width of spike
   // maxPeakToPeak        : When peak-to-peak is larger than this, the channel
   //                        is not used to find spikes.
   // spikeVoltage         : Amplitude of spikes. When it is 0, it is calculated in this function
   //                        from voltage difference from neighboring bins.
   // nTimeRegionThreshold : Requirement of number of time regions having spike at common position.
   //                        Total number of time regions is 2*"nwf".

Entry  Wed Jan 20 12:14:49 2021, Taegyu Lee, drs4 persistence 

Dear all,

I have a question about the function that drs4 can perform.

Is there any function in drs4 that is analogous to that of "persistence display" in oscilloscope?? (accumulating pulses)

 

Thank you

    Reply  Wed Jan 20 17:37:51 2021, Stefan Ritt, drs4 persistence 

The chip itself can only sample a single waveform, that must be done in the attached software. The current DRSOscilloscope software coming with the evaluation board has not yet implemented that, but if you write your own software you can do so.

Taegyu Lee wrote:

Dear all,

I have a question about the function that drs4 can perform.

Is there any function in drs4 that is analogous to that of "persistence display" in oscilloscope?? (accumulating pulses)

 

Thank you

 

Entry  Thu Dec 17 09:29:43 2020, Alex Myczko, drs sources on github? 
Are there plans to add the drs software to github? (asking because I have users @ethz.ch that want to use it on debian,
thus I'm creating official debian packages of it, if license allows so, but talking to upstream (the developers) would be
much easier on github (or irc) than on this "DRS4 Discussion Forum".

Best,
    Reply  Thu Dec 17 11:31:34 2020, Stefan Ritt, drs sources on github? 
Not github, but bitbucket: https://bitbucket.org/ritt/drs4eb/src/master/

But development kind of stalled, so there will be updates only in case of severe bugs, which are kind of gone after 10 years now.

Best,
Stefan

> Are there plans to add the drs software to github? (asking because I have users @ethz.ch that want to use it on debian,
> thus I'm creating official debian packages of it, if license allows so, but talking to upstream (the developers) would be
> much easier on github (or irc) than on this "DRS4 Discussion Forum".
> 
> Best,
Entry  Wed Oct 21 15:03:13 2020, Seiya Nozaki, Timing diagram of SROUT/SRIN signal to write/read a write shift register drs4_srin_srout_srclk.pdf

Dear Stefan,

I have questions about the timing diagram of SROUT/SRIN signal to write/read a write shift register.
1) Value of SRIN signal is saved at the falling edge of SRCLK, correct? (It is written in datasheet, page12, "Bits are latched into the shift register on the falling edge of SRCLK")
2) When are 8-bits of write shift register shown through SROUT? At ridging edges of SRCLK? and with additional delay(~10ns)? or falling edges?
3) In my understanding, when SRCLK is sent to DRS4, we can read and write the values in parallel, right? If so, is it possible just to read the registers without updating the registers?

[Background]
We have two modes to set the write shift register, the first one is to always reconnect to the first line and another one is to reconnect to the same line as when DWRITE goes to Low.
We can read/write the write shift register with the first mode (channel reset, page1). But we rarely face the problem of write shift register, unexpected values are written, with the second mode. With this mode, SROUT signal is sent back to DRS from FPGA as SRIN to write the same value on the write shift register. So there is a small delay(~10ns) due to the routing (DRS->FPGA->DRS, page2). It seems SRIN signal is not stable around the falling edges of SRCLK, thus it could cause that unexpected values are written in write shifter register.
To understand the situation clearly, I'd like to know the answer to the above questions.

Thank you.

Best regards,
Seiya

    Reply  Tue Oct 27 13:37:23 2020, Stefan Ritt, Timing diagram of SROUT/SRIN signal to write/read a write shift register Screenshot_2020-10-27_at_13.45.39_.png

Dear Seiya,

1) That's correct. SRIN is ampled at the falling edge. Pleae make sure to obey the hold-time as written in the datasheet. P.12, Fig. 11: SRIN must be stable before the falling edge of SRCLK and tH after the falling clock. tH is 5ns according to table 1. 

2) The write shift register is a 8-bit shift register, with an input, output and clock. After the first clock pulse, the 7th bit is shown, after the second clock pulse the 6th bit and so on. You you need 8 clock pulses to read the whole register. At the same time you write to the register, so what ever is present at SRIN will replace the old 8 bits of that register.

3) No this is not possible. When you read the register, you write to it at the same time. One possibilty is to connect SROUT to SRIN during that (maybe via the FPGA). Then you have a circular register wich is the same after each 8 clock pulses.

For your reference, I posted a commercial D-Flip Flop (TI SNHCS72). The DRS4 write shift register is a simple array of 8 such registers, with no CLR or PRE, where SROUT is Q of the last Flip Flop.

Best,
Stefan

Seiya Nozaki wrote:

Dear Stefan,

I have questions about the timing diagram of SROUT/SRIN signal to write/read a write shift register.
1) Value of SRIN signal is saved at the falling edge of SRCLK, correct? (It is written in datasheet, page12, "Bits are latched into the shift register on the falling edge of SRCLK")
2) When are 8-bits of write shift register shown through SROUT? At ridging edges of SRCLK? and with additional delay(~10ns)? or falling edges?
3) In my understanding, when SRCLK is sent to DRS4, we can read and write the values in parallel, right? If so, is it possible just to read the registers without updating the registers?

[Background]
We have two modes to set the write shift register, the first one is to always reconnect to the first line and another one is to reconnect to the same line as when DWRITE goes to Low.
We can read/write the write shift register with the first mode (channel reset, page1). But we rarely face the problem of write shift register, unexpected values are written, with the second mode. With this mode, SROUT signal is sent back to DRS from FPGA as SRIN to write the same value on the write shift register. So there is a small delay(~10ns) due to the routing (DRS->FPGA->DRS, page2). It seems SRIN signal is not stable around the falling edges of SRCLK, thus it could cause that unexpected values are written in write shifter register.
To understand the situation clearly, I'd like to know the answer to the above questions.

Thank you.

Best regards,
Seiya

 

       Reply  Tue Oct 27 15:02:09 2020, Seiya Nozaki, Timing diagram of SROUT/SRIN signal to write/read a write shift register 

Dear Stefan,

Thank you for your reply.
SRIN is directly connected to SROUT via FPGA for now, but it is unstable for the timing between clock and SRIN depending on the firmware logic.
We want to make our system more robust, so we are thinking to use a clock with a lower frequency (let's say 16.6 MHz) or change the duty cycle of a clock to keep more time between the rising edge and falling edge of a clock. This change is just for reading/writing the write shift register, we will use a 33 MHz clock for the analog readout in any case.
If we change like above, are there any concerns from the DRS4 side?

Best,
Seiya

Stefan Ritt wrote:

Dear Seiya,

1) That's correct. SRIN is ampled at the falling edge. Pleae make sure to obey the hold-time as written in the datasheet. P.12, Fig. 11: SRIN must be stable before the falling edge of SRCLK and tH after the falling clock. tH is 5ns according to table 1. 

2) The write shift register is a 8-bit shift register, with an input, output and clock. After the first clock pulse, the 7th bit is shown, after the second clock pulse the 6th bit and so on. You you need 8 clock pulses to read the whole register. At the same time you write to the register, so what ever is present at SRIN will replace the old 8 bits of that register.

3) No this is not possible. When you read the register, you write to it at the same time. One possibilty is to connect SROUT to SRIN during that (maybe via the FPGA). Then you have a circular register wich is the same after each 8 clock pulses.

For your reference, I posted a commercial D-Flip Flop (TI SNHCS72). The DRS4 write shift register is a simple array of 8 such registers, with no CLR or PRE, where SROUT is Q of the last Flip Flop.

Best,
Stefan

Seiya Nozaki wrote:

Dear Stefan,

I have questions about the timing diagram of SROUT/SRIN signal to write/read a write shift register.
1) Value of SRIN signal is saved at the falling edge of SRCLK, correct? (It is written in datasheet, page12, "Bits are latched into the shift register on the falling edge of SRCLK")
2) When are 8-bits of write shift register shown through SROUT? At ridging edges of SRCLK? and with additional delay(~10ns)? or falling edges?
3) In my understanding, when SRCLK is sent to DRS4, we can read and write the values in parallel, right? If so, is it possible just to read the registers without updating the registers?

[Background]
We have two modes to set the write shift register, the first one is to always reconnect to the first line and another one is to reconnect to the same line as when DWRITE goes to Low.
We can read/write the write shift register with the first mode (channel reset, page1). But we rarely face the problem of write shift register, unexpected values are written, with the second mode. With this mode, SROUT signal is sent back to DRS from FPGA as SRIN to write the same value on the write shift register. So there is a small delay(~10ns) due to the routing (DRS->FPGA->DRS, page2). It seems SRIN signal is not stable around the falling edges of SRCLK, thus it could cause that unexpected values are written in write shifter register.
To understand the situation clearly, I'd like to know the answer to the above questions.

Thank you.

Best regards,
Seiya

 

 

          Reply  Tue Oct 27 15:24:38 2020, Stefan Ritt, Timing diagram of SROUT/SRIN signal to write/read a write shift register 

This is a static shift register, so you can make the clock as slow as you want. Actually I don't use a "clock", I just use a data pin I control via a state machine in the VHDL code. This way I have more control over the edges. I need several (internal) clock cycles to produce one SRCLK clock cycle, but that does not matter for the DRS.

Stefan

Seiya Nozaki wrote:

Dear Stefan,

Thank you for your reply.
SRIN is directly connected to SROUT via FPGA for now, but it is unstable for the timing between clock and SRIN depending on the firmware logic.
We want to make our system more robust, so we are thinking to use a clock with a lower frequency (let's say 16.6 MHz) or change the duty cycle of a clock to keep more time between the rising edge and falling edge of a clock. This change is just for reading/writing the write shift register, we will use a 33 MHz clock for the analog readout in any case.
If we change like above, are there any concerns from the DRS4 side?

Best,
Seiya

Stefan Ritt wrote:

Dear Seiya,

1) That's correct. SRIN is ampled at the falling edge. Pleae make sure to obey the hold-time as written in the datasheet. P.12, Fig. 11: SRIN must be stable before the falling edge of SRCLK and tH after the falling clock. tH is 5ns according to table 1. 

2) The write shift register is a 8-bit shift register, with an input, output and clock. After the first clock pulse, the 7th bit is shown, after the second clock pulse the 6th bit and so on. You you need 8 clock pulses to read the whole register. At the same time you write to the register, so what ever is present at SRIN will replace the old 8 bits of that register.

3) No this is not possible. When you read the register, you write to it at the same time. One possibilty is to connect SROUT to SRIN during that (maybe via the FPGA). Then you have a circular register wich is the same after each 8 clock pulses.

For your reference, I posted a commercial D-Flip Flop (TI SNHCS72). The DRS4 write shift register is a simple array of 8 such registers, with no CLR or PRE, where SROUT is Q of the last Flip Flop.

Best,
Stefan

Seiya Nozaki wrote:

Dear Stefan,

I have questions about the timing diagram of SROUT/SRIN signal to write/read a write shift register.
1) Value of SRIN signal is saved at the falling edge of SRCLK, correct? (It is written in datasheet, page12, "Bits are latched into the shift register on the falling edge of SRCLK")
2) When are 8-bits of write shift register shown through SROUT? At ridging edges of SRCLK? and with additional delay(~10ns)? or falling edges?
3) In my understanding, when SRCLK is sent to DRS4, we can read and write the values in parallel, right? If so, is it possible just to read the registers without updating the registers?

[Background]
We have two modes to set the write shift register, the first one is to always reconnect to the first line and another one is to reconnect to the same line as when DWRITE goes to Low.
We can read/write the write shift register with the first mode (channel reset, page1). But we rarely face the problem of write shift register, unexpected values are written, with the second mode. With this mode, SROUT signal is sent back to DRS from FPGA as SRIN to write the same value on the write shift register. So there is a small delay(~10ns) due to the routing (DRS->FPGA->DRS, page2). It seems SRIN signal is not stable around the falling edges of SRCLK, thus it could cause that unexpected values are written in write shifter register.
To understand the situation clearly, I'd like to know the answer to the above questions.

Thank you.

Best regards,
Seiya

 

 

 

             Reply  Wed Oct 28 04:32:19 2020, Seiya Nozaki, Timing diagram of SROUT/SRIN signal to write/read a write shift register 

Dear Stefan,

OK, it's good to hear! Thank you!

Best,
Seiya

Stefan Ritt wrote:

This is a static shift register, so you can make the clock as slow as you want. Actually I don't use a "clock", I just use a data pin I control via a state machine in the VHDL code. This way I have more control over the edges. I need several (internal) clock cycles to produce one SRCLK clock cycle, but that does not matter for the DRS.

Stefan

Seiya Nozaki wrote:

Dear Stefan,

Thank you for your reply.
SRIN is directly connected to SROUT via FPGA for now, but it is unstable for the timing between clock and SRIN depending on the firmware logic.
We want to make our system more robust, so we are thinking to use a clock with a lower frequency (let's say 16.6 MHz) or change the duty cycle of a clock to keep more time between the rising edge and falling edge of a clock. This change is just for reading/writing the write shift register, we will use a 33 MHz clock for the analog readout in any case.
If we change like above, are there any concerns from the DRS4 side?

Best,
Seiya

Stefan Ritt wrote:

Dear Seiya,

1) That's correct. SRIN is ampled at the falling edge. Pleae make sure to obey the hold-time as written in the datasheet. P.12, Fig. 11: SRIN must be stable before the falling edge of SRCLK and tH after the falling clock. tH is 5ns according to table 1. 

2) The write shift register is a 8-bit shift register, with an input, output and clock. After the first clock pulse, the 7th bit is shown, after the second clock pulse the 6th bit and so on. You you need 8 clock pulses to read the whole register. At the same time you write to the register, so what ever is present at SRIN will replace the old 8 bits of that register.

3) No this is not possible. When you read the register, you write to it at the same time. One possibilty is to connect SROUT to SRIN during that (maybe via the FPGA). Then you have a circular register wich is the same after each 8 clock pulses.

For your reference, I posted a commercial D-Flip Flop (TI SNHCS72). The DRS4 write shift register is a simple array of 8 such registers, with no CLR or PRE, where SROUT is Q of the last Flip Flop.

Best,
Stefan

Seiya Nozaki wrote:

Dear Stefan,

I have questions about the timing diagram of SROUT/SRIN signal to write/read a write shift register.
1) Value of SRIN signal is saved at the falling edge of SRCLK, correct? (It is written in datasheet, page12, "Bits are latched into the shift register on the falling edge of SRCLK")
2) When are 8-bits of write shift register shown through SROUT? At ridging edges of SRCLK? and with additional delay(~10ns)? or falling edges?
3) In my understanding, when SRCLK is sent to DRS4, we can read and write the values in parallel, right? If so, is it possible just to read the registers without updating the registers?

[Background]
We have two modes to set the write shift register, the first one is to always reconnect to the first line and another one is to reconnect to the same line as when DWRITE goes to Low.
We can read/write the write shift register with the first mode (channel reset, page1). But we rarely face the problem of write shift register, unexpected values are written, with the second mode. With this mode, SROUT signal is sent back to DRS from FPGA as SRIN to write the same value on the write shift register. So there is a small delay(~10ns) due to the routing (DRS->FPGA->DRS, page2). It seems SRIN signal is not stable around the falling edges of SRCLK, thus it could cause that unexpected values are written in write shifter register.
To understand the situation clearly, I'd like to know the answer to the above questions.

Thank you.

Best regards,
Seiya

 

 

 

 

Entry  Tue Sep 22 17:45:26 2020, Elmer Grundeman, External triggering 

Dear all,

I had a question about timing jitter and external triggering.

I trigger the board externally with a 3V pulse from a DG645 delay generator and as a test I use the gated charge function to integrate another pulse of the DG which goes into channel 1 (the timing jitter between different outputs of the DG is on the order of ~25 picoseconds).

The issue I’m encountering is that the signal on channel 1 is jittering in time with ~1 ns, which means the signal is jittering with respect to my integration gate (point A and B). If I look at the data it always starts at t = 0.000 but my signal (pulse) moves around in time.

If I don’t use the external trigger but trigger on channel 1 directly the signal does not move with respect to the gate, but I can see the start and end of the trace move in time. If I look at the data the first data point is not at t = 0.000 but some other time, which jitters with ~1 ns.

I did repeat the voltage and timing calibration, but that did not help either.

Do you know where this jitter comes from and if I can get rid of it?

Best regards,

 

Elmer

    Reply  Wed Oct 7 10:56:03 2020, Stefan Ritt, External triggering 

The trigger is there only to trigger the chip, but cannot be used as a precise time reference. If you want to measure precise timing, do this always BETWEEN two inputs, never between an input and the trigger. You might want to split and delay your trigger signal and feed one copy to another input of the evaluation board as your reference.

Stefan

Elmer Grundeman wrote:

Dear all,

I had a question about timing jitter and external triggering.

I trigger the board externally with a 3V pulse from a DG645 delay generator and as a test I use the gated charge function to integrate another pulse of the DG which goes into channel 1 (the timing jitter between different outputs of the DG is on the order of ~25 picoseconds).

The issue I’m encountering is that the signal on channel 1 is jittering in time with ~1 ns, which means the signal is jittering with respect to my integration gate (point A and B). If I look at the data it always starts at t = 0.000 but my signal (pulse) moves around in time.

If I don’t use the external trigger but trigger on channel 1 directly the signal does not move with respect to the gate, but I can see the start and end of the trace move in time. If I look at the data the first data point is not at t = 0.000 but some other time, which jitters with ~1 ns.

I did repeat the voltage and timing calibration, but that did not help either.

Do you know where this jitter comes from and if I can get rid of it?

Best regards,

 

Elmer

 

       Reply  Wed Oct 7 11:17:52 2020, Elmer Grundeman, External triggering 

I will try that, thanks!

Stefan Ritt wrote:

The trigger is there only to trigger the chip, but cannot be used as a precise time reference. If you want to measure precise timing, do this always BETWEEN two inputs, never between an input and the trigger. You might want to split and delay your trigger signal and feed one copy to another input of the evaluation board as your reference.

Stefan

Elmer Grundeman wrote:

Dear all,

I had a question about timing jitter and external triggering.

I trigger the board externally with a 3V pulse from a DG645 delay generator and as a test I use the gated charge function to integrate another pulse of the DG which goes into channel 1 (the timing jitter between different outputs of the DG is on the order of ~25 picoseconds).

The issue I’m encountering is that the signal on channel 1 is jittering in time with ~1 ns, which means the signal is jittering with respect to my integration gate (point A and B). If I look at the data it always starts at t = 0.000 but my signal (pulse) moves around in time.

If I don’t use the external trigger but trigger on channel 1 directly the signal does not move with respect to the gate, but I can see the start and end of the trace move in time. If I look at the data the first data point is not at t = 0.000 but some other time, which jitters with ~1 ns.

I did repeat the voltage and timing calibration, but that did not help either.

Do you know where this jitter comes from and if I can get rid of it?

Best regards,

 

Elmer

 

 

Entry  Mon Aug 31 16:44:12 2020, Hans Steiger, Channel Cascading 

Dear All,

I have a board with Channel Cascading Option. I have the problem, that it seems to be impossible to run all 4 Channels simultaneously for digitizing pulses. I can just run even or odd channels but not even and odd ones? If I run in combined option, My question: If a board comes with this combined option, is it still usable as a 4Ch Digitizer but with 1024bin traces?

 

All the best,

 

Hans

    Reply  Mon Aug 31 17:17:30 2020, Stefan Ritt, Channel Cascading Screenshot_2020-08-31_at_16.52.28_.png

If you have a board with cascading option, it should show the "combined" option in the 2048-bin option enabled (not grayed), as in the attached screen shot. If the 2048-bin option is all greyed out, the system does not recognize the cascading option. If your board has a sticker "2048 bin" and you still see the 2048-bin option greyed out, it might mean that a resistor on that board has been forgotten. If you do not see the "2048 bin" sticker on your board, you might not have a board with cascading option. So please check that. If the resistor is really missing, you can send us the board and we will add it.

Stefan

Hans Steiger wrote:

Dear All,

I have a board with Channel Cascading Option. I have the problem, that it seems to be impossible to run all 4 Channels simultaneously for digitizing pulses. I can just run even or odd channels but not even and odd ones? If I run in combined option, My question: If a board comes with this combined option, is it still usable as a 4Ch Digitizer but with 1024bin traces?

 

All the best,

 

Hans

 

Entry  Sat Aug 29 22:00:30 2020, Hans Steiger, Dynamic Range Evaluation Board and Software 

Dear Evaluation Board Team,

 

currently I am facing the problem of digitizing pulses with an amplitude of -0.6V to -0.8V. As the dynamic range of the board is 1Vpp, this should be feasible. However, I do not know how to set in the software a correct range. I see only -0.5V/0.5V, and the two positive options. Normally I would use -0.5V/0.5V and give the thing an offset of 0.4V or so? Is this possible? Where can I set such a offset?

 

All the best,

Hans

    Reply  Mon Aug 31 10:52:42 2020, Stefan Ritt, Dynamic Range Evaluation Board and Software 

You cannot go below -0.5V for the inputs, since the board does not have an internal negative power supply, which would be necessary for that. If you have -0.8V pulses, the easiest is to use a passive inverter at the input to convert it to a 0.8V pulse.

Stefan

Hans Steiger wrote:

Dear Evaluation Board Team,

 

currently I am facing the problem of digitizing pulses with an amplitude of -0.6V to -0.8V. As the dynamic range of the board is 1Vpp, this should be feasible. However, I do not know how to set in the software a correct range. I see only -0.5V/0.5V, and the two positive options. Normally I would use -0.5V/0.5V and give the thing an offset of 0.4V or so? Is this possible? Where can I set such a offset?

 

All the best,

Hans

 

Entry  Wed Feb 20 08:03:04 2019, Lev Pavlov, meg? 

Hey. Strange problem. Why does the compiler refer there at all? Library installed drsosc works

 

LINK : fatal error LNK1104: cannot open file "C:\meg\online\drivers\drs\libusb-1.0\libusb-1.0.lib"

    Reply  Wed Feb 20 08:08:42 2019, Stefan Ritt, meg? 

You have to change the path to libusb-1.0.lib to the one where you installed it.

Stefan

Lev Pavlov wrote:

Hey. Strange problem. Why does the compiler refer there at all? Library installed drsosc works

 

LINK : fatal error LNK1104: cannot open file "C:\meg\online\drivers\drs\libusb-1.0\libusb-1.0.lib"

 

       Reply  Wed Feb 20 12:13:44 2019, Lev Pavlov, meg? 

Great, drs_exam compiles without problems. Now when you run the compiled file drs_exam writes board not found, but drsosc and drscl work without problems. What could possibly be the matter?

thanks for your patience

Lev

Stefan Ritt wrote:

You have to change the path to libusb-1.0.lib to the one where you installed it.

Stefan

Lev Pavlov wrote:

Hey. Strange problem. Why does the compiler refer there at all? Library installed drsosc works

 

LINK : fatal error LNK1104: cannot open file "C:\meg\online\drivers\drs\libusb-1.0\libusb-1.0.lib"

 

 

          Reply  Wed Feb 20 12:56:56 2019, Stefan Ritt, meg? 

No idea. Maye some access problem. Have you tried to start your program under an admin account?

Stefan

Lev Pavlov wrote:

Great, drs_exam compiles without problems. Now when you run the compiled file drs_exam writes board not found, but drsosc and drscl work without problems. What could possibly be the matter?

thanks for your patience

Lev

Stefan Ritt wrote:

You have to change the path to libusb-1.0.lib to the one where you installed it.

Stefan

Lev Pavlov wrote:

Hey. Strange problem. Why does the compiler refer there at all? Library installed drsosc works

 

LINK : fatal error LNK1104: cannot open file "C:\meg\online\drivers\drs\libusb-1.0\libusb-1.0.lib"

 

 

 

             Reply  Thu Feb 21 09:51:24 2019, Lev Pavlov, no board found 

Hey. Yes, the program is running as administrator. By the way, this is win10. Your drs_exam works fine. My drs_exam compiled wrote no board found. Maybe this is a problem like in the post https://elog.psi.ch/elogs/DRS4+Forum/698. Maybe there were solutions to the problems?

Thank You

Lev

Stefan Ritt wrote:

No idea. Maye some access problem. Have you tried to start your program under an admin account?

Stefan

Lev Pavlov wrote:

Great, drs_exam compiles without problems. Now when you run the compiled file drs_exam writes board not found, but drsosc and drscl work without problems. What could possibly be the matter?

thanks for your patience

Lev

Stefan Ritt wrote:

You have to change the path to libusb-1.0.lib to the one where you installed it.

Stefan

Lev Pavlov wrote:

Hey. Strange problem. Why does the compiler refer there at all? Library installed drsosc works

 

LINK : fatal error LNK1104: cannot open file "C:\meg\online\drivers\drs\libusb-1.0\libusb-1.0.lib"

 

 

 

 

                Reply  Thu Feb 21 09:57:53 2019, Stefan Ritt, no board found 

Could be. Have you tried that elog:657

Stefan

Lev Pavlov wrote:

Hey. Yes, the program is running as administrator. By the way, this is win10. Your drs_exam works fine. My drs_exam compiled wrote no board found. Maybe this is a problem like in the post https://elog.psi.ch/elogs/DRS4+Forum/698. Maybe there were solutions to the problems?

Thank You

Lev

Stefan Ritt wrote:

No idea. Maye some access problem. Have you tried to start your program under an admin account?

Stefan

Lev Pavlov wrote:

Great, drs_exam compiles without problems. Now when you run the compiled file drs_exam writes board not found, but drsosc and drscl work without problems. What could possibly be the matter?

thanks for your patience

Lev

Stefan Ritt wrote:

You have to change the path to libusb-1.0.lib to the one where you installed it.

Stefan

Lev Pavlov wrote:

Hey. Strange problem. Why does the compiler refer there at all? Library installed drsosc works

 

LINK : fatal error LNK1104: cannot open file "C:\meg\online\drivers\drs\libusb-1.0\libusb-1.0.lib"

 

 

 

 

 

                   Reply  Mon Feb 25 08:40:44 2019, Lev Pavlov, no board found 

 

Hello. When compiling drs_exam, do you need to use a "static "version of usblib or a "dynamic" version?"The problem with "no board found" is not solved. Thanks for your help.

Lev.

Stefan Ritt wrote:

Could be. Have you tried that elog:657

Stefan

Lev Pavlov wrote:

Hey. Yes, the program is running as administrator. By the way, this is win10. Your drs_exam works fine. My drs_exam compiled wrote no board found. Maybe this is a problem like in the post https://elog.psi.ch/elogs/DRS4+Forum/698. Maybe there were solutions to the problems?

Thank You

Lev

Stefan Ritt wrote:

No idea. Maye some access problem. Have you tried to start your program under an admin account?

Stefan

Lev Pavlov wrote:

Great, drs_exam compiles without problems. Now when you run the compiled file drs_exam writes board not found, but drsosc and drscl work without problems. What could possibly be the matter?

thanks for your patience

Lev

Stefan Ritt wrote:

You have to change the path to libusb-1.0.lib to the one where you installed it.

Stefan

Lev Pavlov wrote:

Hey. Strange problem. Why does the compiler refer there at all? Library installed drsosc works

 

LINK : fatal error LNK1104: cannot open file "C:\meg\online\drivers\drs\libusb-1.0\libusb-1.0.lib"

 

 

 

 

 

 

                      Reply  Mon Feb 25 08:48:27 2019, Stefan Ritt, no board found 

"dynamic" or "static" does not matter, as long as you don't use your program on another computer. I have no more idea about the "no board found" problem. It works ok on all computers I tried at our lab.

Stefan

Lev Pavlov wrote:

 

Hello. When compiling drs_exam, do you need to use a "static "version of usblib or a "dynamic" version?"The problem with "no board found" is not solved. Thanks for your help.

Lev

                         Reply  Tue Jul 28 22:40:44 2020, Razvan Stefan Gornea, no board found DRS4_scope.png

I have a very similar problem, the command line doesn't work but the oscilloscope program does! Tried to fix it using Zadig driver update. Using Windows 7.... 

DRS command line tool, Revision 21435
Type 'help' for a list of available commands.

USB successfully scanned, but no boards found
No DRS Boards found

For completion, I just tested that the test program gives the same error message

C:\Program Files (x86)\DRS\bin>.\drs_exam.exe
USB successfully scanned, but no boards found
No DRS4 evaluation board found

 

Stefan Ritt wrote:

"dynamic" or "static" does not matter, as long as you don't use your program on another computer. I have no more idea about the "no board found" problem. It works ok on all computers I tried at our lab.

Stefan

Lev Pavlov wrote:

 

Hello. When compiling drs_exam, do you need to use a "static "version of usblib or a "dynamic" version?"The problem with "no board found" is not solved. Thanks for your help.

Lev

 

Entry  Tue May 26 11:10:27 2020, xggg, Domino wave 

Hi Stefan,

According to the datasheet DRS_rev09, the write signal is always 16 cells wide. So when the domino wave runs in infinite mode and be stopped by setting DENABLE low , there are always 16 cells capicitors tracking the input signal . It means that the effective sample cells is 1024-16=1008? That's confusing. 

    Reply  Tue May 26 12:44:16 2020, Stefan Ritt, Domino wave Screenshot_2020-05-26_at_12.43.40_.png

Look at the attached picture. For simplicity, only 4 cells are open and tracking the input signal. Time is flowing from top to bottom. So initially, a train of 4 cells is open. When it's stopped, the train stops not immediately, but kind of "runs against a wall" at the stop cell. So each cell is open for four time ticks effectively, and you can use all 1024 cells. 

 

xggg wrote:

Hi Stefan,

According to the datasheet DRS_rev09, the write signal is always 16 cells wide. So when the domino wave runs in infinite mode and be stopped by setting DENABLE low , there are always 16 cells capicitors tracking the input signal . It means that the effective sample cells is 1024-16=1008? That's confusing. 

 

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