HTML Editor not working after enabling SSL, posted by Daniel Sajdyk on Thu Mar 2 12:49:16 2023
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Hello,
After enabling SSL=1 in /usr/loca/elog/elogd.cfg file, HTML editor loading very long.
After changing SSL to 0, everything work flawlessly.
Does anyone know what can cause this behaviour?
Best Regards
Daniel |
Re: HTML Editor not working after enabling SSL, posted by Daniel Sajdyk on Thu Mar 9 09:44:32 2023
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Hello,
I created new certificate, but it doesn't help with resolving this problem.
Does someone have and idea how to resolve it?
Best Regards
Daniel
Daniel Sajdyk wrote: |
Hello,
After enabling SSL=1 in /usr/loca/elog/elogd.cfg file, HTML editor loading very long.
After changing SSL to 0, everything work flawlessly.
Does anyone know what can cause this behaviour?
Best Regards
Daniel
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Re: HTML Editor not working after enabling SSL, posted by Daniel Sajdyk on Tue Mar 21 14:25:25 2023
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Hello,
I found that someone else had the same issue - https://dev.ckeditor.com/ticket/10874#no1
In Firefox I do not have problems, but in Chrome and Edge i have.
His solution was:
My problem is solved. The .htaccess file sents any request to the login page. Therefore CKEditor could not reach the CSS file. Thanks for helping!
Sinse I don't use apache webserver, I don't know what should I do.
It looks that also in my case problem is with file progressjs.min.css (please look at attached screenshot)
Anyone have solution for this?
Best Regards
Daniel
Daniel Sajdyk wrote: |
Hello,
After enabling SSL=1 in /usr/loca/elog/elogd.cfg file, HTML editor loading very long.
After changing SSL to 0, everything work flawlessly.
Does anyone know what can cause this behaviour?
Best Regards
Daniel
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ssl certificate, posted by Giuseppe Cucinotta on Wed Jan 25 17:41:30 2023
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We obtained a certificate from let's encrypt in order to replace the self signed certificate provided with elog. We copied the new certificates replacing the older server.crt
The problem is that when restarted elog raises an error related to the fact it is looking for server.crt and it doesn't find it anymore.
I searched in elog config file in order to find a way to indicate the new certificate but I didn't find how to manage this issue.
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Re: ssl certificate, posted by Laurent Jean-Rigaud on Wed Jan 25 21:44:51 2023
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Hi Giuseppe,
The new certificate files should be copy under ssl folder (/usr/local/elog/ssl or /usr/share/elog/ssl by example, closed to templates and script directories) in place of the embedded (autosigned) certificate files enclosed with ELOG source.
It seems that there is no parameter to set a custom path.
SSL = <0 | 1>
Turn on Secure Socket Layer transport. If SSL is on, one can connect via https://... to the elogd daemon. If the URL = directive is used, make sure to use https://... instead of http://... there. The ELOG distribution contains a simple self-signed certificate in the ssl subdirectory. One can replace this certificate and key with a real ceritficate to avoid browser pop-up windows warning about the self-signed certificate. The default for this option is 0 .
Giuseppe Cucinotta wrote: |
We obtained a certificate from let's encrypt in order to replace the self signed certificate provided with elog. We copied the new certificates replacing the older server.crt
The problem is that when restarted elog raises an error related to the fact it is looking for server.crt and it doesn't find it anymore.
I searched in elog config file in order to find a way to indicate the new certificate but I didn't find how to manage this issue.
Any suggestion?
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Re: ssl certificate, posted by Giuseppe Cucinotta on Wed Jan 25 22:22:07 2023
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Hi Laurent,
thanks very much! Probably I've copied the certificate in the wrong directory. I'll try ASAP
Laurent Jean-Rigaud wrote: |
Hi Giuseppe,
The new certificate files should be copy under ssl folder (/usr/local/elog/ssl or /usr/share/elog/ssl by example, closed to templates and script directories) in place of the embedded (autosigned) certificate files enclosed with ELOG source.
It seems that there is no parameter to set a custom path.
SSL = <0 | 1>
Turn on Secure Socket Layer transport. If SSL is on, one can connect via https://... to the elogd daemon. If the URL = directive is used, make sure to use https://... instead of http://... there. The ELOG distribution contains a simple self-signed certificate in the ssl subdirectory. One can replace this certificate and key with a real ceritficate to avoid browser pop-up windows warning about the self-signed certificate. The default for this option is 0 .
Giuseppe Cucinotta wrote: |
We obtained a certificate from let's encrypt in order to replace the self signed certificate provided with elog. We copied the new certificates replacing the older server.crt
The problem is that when restarted elog raises an error related to the fact it is looking for server.crt and it doesn't find it anymore.
I searched in elog config file in order to find a way to indicate the new certificate but I didn't find how to manage this issue.
Any suggestion?
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Re: ssl certificate, posted by Giuseppe Cucinotta on Fri Feb 17 14:29:54 2023
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Hi I'm here again,
According to my conf file I run elog under a specified user and group different from root. So I copied the .pem file I obtained from certbot in /etc/ssl as well as /urs/local/elog/ssl and ssl folder in the user directory (I will call it <user-dir>) but when I launch elog I receive the error that cannot initialize SSL because the old self signed certificate server.crt in <user-dir>/ssl is not found.
I wonder where in elog.cfg or elsewhere is written that <user-dir>/ssl/server.crt must be usedand how to fix it
Thanks
Giuseppe Cucinotta wrote: |
Hi Laurent,
thanks very much! Probably I've copied the certificate in the wrong directory. I'll try ASAP
Laurent Jean-Rigaud wrote: |
Hi Giuseppe,
The new certificate files should be copy under ssl folder (/usr/local/elog/ssl or /usr/share/elog/ssl by example, closed to templates and script directories) in place of the embedded (autosigned) certificate files enclosed with ELOG source.
It seems that there is no parameter to set a custom path.
SSL = <0 | 1>
Turn on Secure Socket Layer transport. If SSL is on, one can connect via https://... to the elogd daemon. If the URL = directive is used, make sure to use https://... instead of http://... there. The ELOG distribution contains a simple self-signed certificate in the ssl subdirectory. One can replace this certificate and key with a real ceritficate to avoid browser pop-up windows warning about the self-signed certificate. The default for this option is 0 .
Giuseppe Cucinotta wrote: |
We obtained a certificate from let's encrypt in order to replace the self signed certificate provided with elog. We copied the new certificates replacing the older server.crt
The problem is that when restarted elog raises an error related to the fact it is looking for server.crt and it doesn't find it anymore.
I searched in elog config file in order to find a way to indicate the new certificate but I didn't find how to manage this issue.
Any suggestion?
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Re: ssl certificate, posted by Andreas Luedeke on Mon Mar 13 16:16:09 2023
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I do run elog under:
Usr = elog
Grp = elog
But that does not change the location of my certificates: they are in "/usr/local/elog/ssl".
My guess: you just copied the .pem file to the /ssl directory, but did not rename it to server.crt?
And of course you need to overwrite server.key as well.
Kind Regards
Andreas
Giuseppe Cucinotta wrote: |
Hi I'm here again,
According to my conf file I run elog under a specified user and group different from root. So I copied the .pem file I obtained from certbot in /etc/ssl as well as /urs/local/elog/ssl and ssl folder in the user directory (I will call it <user-dir>) but when I launch elog I receive the error that cannot initialize SSL because the old self signed certificate server.crt in <user-dir>/ssl is not found.
I wonder where in elog.cfg or elsewhere is written that <user-dir>/ssl/server.crt must be usedand how to fix it
Thanks
Giuseppe Cucinotta wrote: |
Hi Laurent,
thanks very much! Probably I've copied the certificate in the wrong directory. I'll try ASAP
Laurent Jean-Rigaud wrote: |
Hi Giuseppe,
The new certificate files should be copy under ssl folder (/usr/local/elog/ssl or /usr/share/elog/ssl by example, closed to templates and script directories) in place of the embedded (autosigned) certificate files enclosed with ELOG source.
It seems that there is no parameter to set a custom path.
SSL = <0 | 1>
Turn on Secure Socket Layer transport. If SSL is on, one can connect via https://... to the elogd daemon. If the URL = directive is used, make sure to use https://... instead of http://... there. The ELOG distribution contains a simple self-signed certificate in the ssl subdirectory. One can replace this certificate and key with a real ceritficate to avoid browser pop-up windows warning about the self-signed certificate. The default for this option is 0 .
Giuseppe Cucinotta wrote: |
We obtained a certificate from let's encrypt in order to replace the self signed certificate provided with elog. We copied the new certificates replacing the older server.crt
The problem is that when restarted elog raises an error related to the fact it is looking for server.crt and it doesn't find it anymore.
I searched in elog config file in order to find a way to indicate the new certificate but I didn't find how to manage this issue.
Any suggestion?
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Exporting the entries from ELOG, posted by Illam Pakkirisamy on Tue Feb 28 18:21:01 2023
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Hi,
Is there a way to export the ELOG entries into a file like an Excel sheet or something. I see import but not export.
Appreciate your help.
Thanks.
Illam |
Re: Exporting the entries from ELOG, posted by Stefan Ritt on Tue Feb 28 19:22:50 2023
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Find -> Export to...
Illam Pakkirisamy wrote: |
Hi,
Is there a way to export the ELOG entries into a file like an Excel sheet or something. I see import but not export.
Appreciate your help.
Thanks.
Illam
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Re: Exporting the entries from ELOG, posted by Illam Pakkirisamy on Wed Mar 1 20:12:54 2023
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Thanks Stefan for your help. It works but the only issue is, the screenshots that were included in the body of the entries are not usable. Not sure if there is any workarounds for that.
...Illam
Stefan Ritt wrote: |
Find -> Export to...
Illam Pakkirisamy wrote: |
Hi,
Is there a way to export the ELOG entries into a file like an Excel sheet or something. I see import but not export.
Appreciate your help.
Thanks.
Illam
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3.1.5 - Mass edit bug + Wrong version, posted by Cryptage on Tue Feb 7 12:51:54 2023
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Hi,
I've just installed the news 3.1.5 version and I have 2 problems.
I don't know if it works with older versions because I started with latest.
- When using "select" menu then "edit" for multiple entries, the text is replaced with "- keep original text here -" instead of keeping the original values. Really annoying...
Another problem too, if I want to edit after, I have the error message "only author - keep original text here - can edit" although the author column is OK..
It looks like this problem is global and not only on text column.
- Version number is indicated "ELOG V3.1.4" instead of V3.1.5.
My config file :
[global]
port = 8888
language = french
Authentication = Webserver
Page title = XXXXX
SSL = 0
Interface = 127.0.0.1
URL = https://elog.xxxxxx.xxx/
Usr = elog
Grp = elog
Logfile = /var/log/elog.log
Logging level = 3
Self register = 0
Password file = xxxx.xxx
Logout to main = 0
Max content length = 10485760
List after submit = 1
Search all logbooks = 0
Refresh = 300
Show last default = 7
[Technique]
Theme = custom
Menu commands = List, New, Edit, Reply, Find
List Menu commands = List, New, Find, Select, Config
Guest menu commands = Login
Admin user = xxxxxx
Login user = xxxx, xxxxx, xxxxxx
Restrict edit = 1
Restrict edit time = 1
Login expiration = 2
Allow password change = 0
Comment = Test suivi technique
Attributes = Auteur, Intervenant, Quand, Objet, Categorie, Centre, Statut
Type Quand = date
Date format = %d/%m/%Y
Options Intervenant = xxxxxxxxxxx, Autre
Options Centre = xxxxxxxx, Autre
Options Categorie = xxxxxxxx, Autre
Options Statut = A faire, En cours, En attente, Termine, Autre
Extendable Options = Categorie, Intervenant
Required Attributes = Intervenant
Page Title = ELOG - $Categorie
Reverse sort = 1
Quick filter = Categorie, Centre
Preset Auteur = $long_name
Option Auteur = Filled In Automatically
Locked Attributes = Auteur
Use lock = 1
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I'm using Apache as reverse proxy with SSL and transparent Kerberos authentication (Microsoft Active Directory).
URL via Apache is https://elog.xxxxxx.xxx (no subdirectory).
Thanks for your help. |
Re: 3.1.5 - Mass edit bug + Wrong version, posted by Stefan Ritt on Tue Feb 7 16:21:37 2023
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I checked and found that the bug which removed the main text was there since the beginning, but it's only triggered if you switch elog to French, it doesn't happen in the English version. I changed a bit the text processing so now it should work also in the French version.
I also changed the version number which is shown at the bottom to 3.1.5.
Stefan |
Re: 3.1.5 - Mass edit bug + Wrong version, posted by Cryptage on Tue Feb 7 17:31:20 2023
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Thanks for your prompt help.
It looks good for text but I still have problem with "select" function (even in English).
If I use "select" menu :
- When multiple values are selected it indicates "only user - keep original values - can edit" (freshly created).
- When a single value is selected, it indicates "only user XXX can edit" where XXX is my truncated name (the first 4 letters).
After editing in with admin account the author is now my truncated name :
If I want to edit a single entry (without select menu) it works perfectly.
Thanks.
Stefan Ritt wrote: |
I checked and found that the bug which removed the main text was there since the beginning, but it's only triggered if you switch elog to French, it doesn't happen in the English version. I changed a bit the text processing so now it should work also in the French version.
I also changed the version number which is shown at the bottom to 3.1.5.
Stefan
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Re: 3.1.5 - Mass edit bug + Wrong version, posted by Stefan Ritt on Tue Feb 7 20:45:31 2023
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If it works with a simple edit, then why don't you use that one to edit individual values. I checked and version 3.1.4 had already the same problem, so it was not newly introduced. I would have to invest a couple of hours to fix this issue correcly, which I simply don't have right now. |
Re: 3.1.5 - Mass edit bug + Wrong version, posted by Cryptage on Wed Feb 8 10:05:03 2023
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Thanks !
Sometime I need to edit multiple values to add a new choice.
By exemple, if I add a new column "status" (open, closed...) , it's mandatory to use select menu to add the new value to existent entries.
With a lot of lines it's not possible to edit one by one.
Stefan Ritt wrote: |
If it works with a simple edit, then why don't you use that one to edit individual values. I checked and version 3.1.4 had already the same problem, so it was not newly introduced. I would have to invest a couple of hours to fix this issue correcly, which I simply don't have right now.
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Installing Elog on Linux Oracle 9 and missing libssl.so.10, posted by Daniel Sajdyk on Thu Feb 2 10:58:54 2023
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Hello,
I tried to install Elog 3.1.4 from rpm on Oracle Linux 9 with command:
sudo dnf localinstall elog-3.1.4-3.el7.x86_64.rpm
But I got error:
Last metadata expiration check: 0:08:06 ago on Thu 02 Feb 2023 10:35:13 CET.
Error:
Problem: conflicting requests
- nothing provides libssl.so.10()(64bit) needed by elog-3.1.4-3.el7.x86_64
- nothing provides libssl.so.10(libssl.so.10)(64bit) needed by elog-3.1.4-3.el7.x86_64
(try to add '--skip-broken' to skip uninstallable packages or '--nobest' to use not only best candidate packages)
Using dnf I installed libssl.so.11 (cannot find version 10) and it doesn't help. So my question is: can I use one of proposes by dnf solution as:
- --skip-broken
- --nobest
Does Elog will work stabilityy after that?
Best Regards |
Re: Installing Elog on Linux Oracle 9 and missing libssl.so.10, posted by Laurent Jean-Rigaud on Fri Feb 3 15:51:07 2023
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Hi Daniel,
The RPM has been build for EL7 so SSL share libs should be different with the one provided by EL9. :-)
Try to rebuild from tarball source with enclosed buildrpm script (or with elog srpms if you find any : rpm -i elog*.src.rpm && vim ~/rpmbuild/SPEC/elog.spec # update build options as SSL/LDAP/PAM... && rpmbuild -bb ~/rpmbuild/SPEC/elog.spec ).
Gûd luck
Daniel Sajdyk wrote: |
Hello,
I tried to install Elog 3.1.4 from rpm on Oracle Linux 9 with command:
sudo dnf localinstall elog-3.1.4-3.el7.x86_64.rpm
But I got error:
Last metadata expiration check: 0:08:06 ago on Thu 02 Feb 2023 10:35:13 CET.
Error:
Problem: conflicting requests
- nothing provides libssl.so.10()(64bit) needed by elog-3.1.4-3.el7.x86_64
- nothing provides libssl.so.10(libssl.so.10)(64bit) needed by elog-3.1.4-3.el7.x86_64
(try to add '--skip-broken' to skip uninstallable packages or '--nobest' to use not only best candidate packages)
Using dnf I installed libssl.so.11 (cannot find version 10) and it doesn't help. So my question is: can I use one of proposes by dnf solution as:
- --skip-broken
- --nobest
Does Elog will work stabilityy after that?
Best Regards
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CKeditor Settings Cant Be Changed , posted by James Smallcombe on Wed Feb 1 11:13:21 2023
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I wanted to change some CKeditor settings so tried modifying elog/scripts/ckeditor to no avail.
I wiped elog/scripts/ and dropped a fresh download of CKeditor4, with only the basic extensions. But when I open the elog it still shows the full toolbar, with elog default style and with all extensions operational.
If I leave elog/scripts empty, I get "CKeditor NOT detected" when starting elogd and the HTML option is empty and shows nothing, all as expected.
Does anyone understand this? Is there some CKeditor configuration file elog is defering to that I've overlooked? I have tried system wide seaches just in case. |
Re: CKeditor Settings Cant Be Changed , posted by Stefan Ritt on Wed Feb 1 11:31:10 2023
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elogd checks for the "scripts/ckeditor/ckeditor.js" file to detect the presence of CKeditor.
James Smallcombe wrote: |
I wanted to change some CKeditor settings so tried modifying elog/scripts/ckeditor to no avail.
I wiped elog/scripts/ and dropped a fresh download of CKeditor4, with only the basic extensions. But when I open the elog it still shows the full toolbar, with elog default style and with all extensions operational.
If I leave elog/scripts empty, I get "CKeditor NOT detected" when starting elogd and the HTML option is empty and shows nothing, all as expected.
Does anyone understand this? Is there some CKeditor configuration file elog is defering to that I've overlooked? I have tried system wide seaches just in case.
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Re: CKeditor Settings Cant Be Changed , posted by James Smallcombe on Thu Feb 2 10:13:19 2023
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So it was just a clearing cache issue. elogd was telling the browser to use/not use CKeditor based on the aformentioned, and browser was then using the cached version. Fixed now.
And FYI for anyone who reads this when trying to modify CKeditor themselves, it seems elog needs the iFrame Editing Area plugin included.
Stefan Ritt wrote: |
elogd checks for the "scripts/ckeditor/ckeditor.js" file to detect the presence of CKeditor.
James Smallcombe wrote: |
I wanted to change some CKeditor settings so tried modifying elog/scripts/ckeditor to no avail.
I wiped elog/scripts/ and dropped a fresh download of CKeditor4, with only the basic extensions. But when I open the elog it still shows the full toolbar, with elog default style and with all extensions operational.
If I leave elog/scripts empty, I get "CKeditor NOT detected" when starting elogd and the HTML option is empty and shows nothing, all as expected.
Does anyone understand this? Is there some CKeditor configuration file elog is defering to that I've overlooked? I have tried system wide seaches just in case.
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Re: CKeditor Settings Cant Be Changed , posted by Antonio Bulgheroni on Thu Feb 2 10:23:45 2023
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It means that you could replace the currently distributed CKeditor with a fresh vanilla installation of CKeditor?
James Smallcombe wrote: |
So it was just a clearing cache issue. elogd was telling the browser to use/not use CKeditor based on the aformentioned, and browser was then using the cached version. Fixed now.
And FYI for anyone who reads this when trying to modify CKeditor themselves, it seems elog needs the iFrame Editing Area plugin included.
Stefan Ritt wrote: |
elogd checks for the "scripts/ckeditor/ckeditor.js" file to detect the presence of CKeditor.
James Smallcombe wrote: |
I wanted to change some CKeditor settings so tried modifying elog/scripts/ckeditor to no avail.
I wiped elog/scripts/ and dropped a fresh download of CKeditor4, with only the basic extensions. But when I open the elog it still shows the full toolbar, with elog default style and with all extensions operational.
If I leave elog/scripts empty, I get "CKeditor NOT detected" when starting elogd and the HTML option is empty and shows nothing, all as expected.
Does anyone understand this? Is there some CKeditor configuration file elog is defering to that I've overlooked? I have tried system wide seaches just in case.
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Re: CKeditor Settings Cant Be Changed , posted by James Smallcombe on Thu Feb 2 10:35:38 2023
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Yes replacing the CKeditor folder with a vanila download works without issue, provided you clean the cache.
For what I originally wanted to do (modifiying the toolbar) I could have just run elog/scripts/ckeditor/samples/toolbarconfigurator/index.html and edited the config file, but a clean cache is needed (on Chrome, Firefox and Edge).
Antonio Bulgheroni wrote: |
It means that you could replace the currently distributed CKeditor with a fresh vanilla installation of CKeditor?
James Smallcombe wrote: |
So it was just a clearing cache issue. elogd was telling the browser to use/not use CKeditor based on the aformentioned, and browser was then using the cached version. Fixed now.
And FYI for anyone who reads this when trying to modify CKeditor themselves, it seems elog needs the iFrame Editing Area plugin included.
Stefan Ritt wrote: |
elogd checks for the "scripts/ckeditor/ckeditor.js" file to detect the presence of CKeditor.
James Smallcombe wrote: |
I wanted to change some CKeditor settings so tried modifying elog/scripts/ckeditor to no avail.
I wiped elog/scripts/ and dropped a fresh download of CKeditor4, with only the basic extensions. But when I open the elog it still shows the full toolbar, with elog default style and with all extensions operational.
If I leave elog/scripts empty, I get "CKeditor NOT detected" when starting elogd and the HTML option is empty and shows nothing, all as expected.
Does anyone understand this? Is there some CKeditor configuration file elog is defering to that I've overlooked? I have tried system wide seaches just in case.
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*.cxx files missing in elog-3.1.5-1.tar.gz, posted by Frank Heyroth on Tue Jan 31 17:40:22 2023
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I downloaded the last elog-3.1.5-1.tar.gz to install elog.
All *.cxx files are missing. |
Wikipedia Article deleted, posted by Sebastian Schenk on Thu Jan 19 15:28:16 2023
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Hello,
I noticed the wikipedia article of the ELOG got deleted in November 2021.
With the reason: "Poorly sourced article, and I was not able to find good sources myself."
I could access the old article through web.archive.org, but for the project it would be good, if the article got revived. |
Re: Wikipedia Article deleted, posted by Stefan Ritt on Thu Jan 19 17:00:37 2023
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I agree. I ahead ;-) I think it is not a good idea if the ELOG author pushes on that, but better someone else.
Best,
Stefan
Sebastian Schenk wrote: |
Hello,
I noticed the wikipedia article of the ELOG got deleted in November 2021.
With the reason: "Poorly sourced article, and I was not able to find good sources myself."
I could access the old article through web.archive.org, but for the project it would be good, if the article got revived.
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Re: Wikipedia Article deleted, posted by Andreas Luedeke on Fri Jan 20 10:25:23 2023
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It looks to me like only an author of an article can contradict a deletion. I did not find a single method to even comment on the deletion.
I am not an Wikipedia expert, can anyone suggest on how to push for the article to be restored? Or do we just write it again, until people stop deleting it?
Stefan Ritt wrote: |
I agree. I ahead ;-) I think it is not a good idea if the ELOG author pushes on that, but better someone else.
Best,
Stefan
Sebastian Schenk wrote: |
Hello,
I noticed the wikipedia article of the ELOG got deleted in November 2021.
With the reason: "Poorly sourced article, and I was not able to find good sources myself."
I could access the old article through web.archive.org, but for the project it would be good, if the article got revived.
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Re: Wikipedia Article deleted, posted by Sebastian Schenk on Fri Jan 20 13:12:48 2023
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I have requested an undeletion of the article. The article was deleted "PROD", which means that someone tagged it. And if noone removes the tag, it could be deleted.
I could revive the article. So in the future, One should have an eye on it and maybe update the current version of the software.
If there iy an paper on the elog, maybe it could be cited for more creditability.
Andreas Luedeke wrote: |
It looks to me like only an author of an article can contradict a deletion. I did not find a single method to even comment on the deletion.
I am not an Wikipedia expert, can anyone suggest on how to push for the article to be restored? Or do we just write it again, until people stop deleting it?
Stefan Ritt wrote: |
I agree. I ahead ;-) I think it is not a good idea if the ELOG author pushes on that, but better someone else.
Best,
Stefan
Sebastian Schenk wrote: |
Hello,
I noticed the wikipedia article of the ELOG got deleted in November 2021.
With the reason: "Poorly sourced article, and I was not able to find good sources myself."
I could access the old article through web.archive.org, but for the project it would be good, if the article got revived.
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Re: Wikipedia Article deleted, posted by Edmund Blomley on Mon Jan 23 21:21:56 2023
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It was now moved to the Draft space (which I did not even now existed so far): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:ELOG
Sebastian Schenk wrote: |
I have requested an undeletion of the article. The article was deleted "PROD", which means that someone tagged it. And if noone removes the tag, it could be deleted.
I could revive the article. So in the future, One should have an eye on it and maybe update the current version of the software.
If there iy an paper on the elog, maybe it could be cited for more creditability.
Andreas Luedeke wrote: |
It looks to me like only an author of an article can contradict a deletion. I did not find a single method to even comment on the deletion.
I am not an Wikipedia expert, can anyone suggest on how to push for the article to be restored? Or do we just write it again, until people stop deleting it?
Stefan Ritt wrote: |
I agree. I ahead ;-) I think it is not a good idea if the ELOG author pushes on that, but better someone else.
Best,
Stefan
Sebastian Schenk wrote: |
Hello,
I noticed the wikipedia article of the ELOG got deleted in November 2021.
With the reason: "Poorly sourced article, and I was not able to find good sources myself."
I could access the old article through web.archive.org, but for the project it would be good, if the article got revived.
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Re: Wikipedia Article deleted, posted by Stefan Ritt on Mon Jan 23 22:24:23 2023
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I added some more references, that's about all I can do. Not sure if that is enough.
Stefan
Edmund Blomley wrote: |
It was now moved to the Draft space (which I did not even now existed so far): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:ELOG
Sebastian Schenk wrote: |
I have requested an undeletion of the article. The article was deleted "PROD", which means that someone tagged it. And if noone removes the tag, it could be deleted.
I could revive the article. So in the future, One should have an eye on it and maybe update the current version of the software.
If there iy an paper on the elog, maybe it could be cited for more creditability.
Andreas Luedeke wrote: |
It looks to me like only an author of an article can contradict a deletion. I did not find a single method to even comment on the deletion.
I am not an Wikipedia expert, can anyone suggest on how to push for the article to be restored? Or do we just write it again, until people stop deleting it?
Stefan Ritt wrote: |
I agree. I ahead ;-) I think it is not a good idea if the ELOG author pushes on that, but better someone else.
Best,
Stefan
Sebastian Schenk wrote: |
Hello,
I noticed the wikipedia article of the ELOG got deleted in November 2021.
With the reason: "Poorly sourced article, and I was not able to find good sources myself."
I could access the old article through web.archive.org, but for the project it would be good, if the article got revived.
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Re: Wikipedia Article deleted, posted by Edmund Blomley on Tue Jan 24 11:31:59 2023
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If I understand it correctly I think it has to be submitted for review with the blue button on that page, just not sure if that should come from your side or someone else
Stefan Ritt wrote: |
I added some more references, that's about all I can do. Not sure if that is enough.
Stefan
Edmund Blomley wrote: |
It was now moved to the Draft space (which I did not even now existed so far): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:ELOG
Sebastian Schenk wrote: |
I have requested an undeletion of the article. The article was deleted "PROD", which means that someone tagged it. And if noone removes the tag, it could be deleted.
I could revive the article. So in the future, One should have an eye on it and maybe update the current version of the software.
If there iy an paper on the elog, maybe it could be cited for more creditability.
Andreas Luedeke wrote: |
It looks to me like only an author of an article can contradict a deletion. I did not find a single method to even comment on the deletion.
I am not an Wikipedia expert, can anyone suggest on how to push for the article to be restored? Or do we just write it again, until people stop deleting it?
Stefan Ritt wrote: |
I agree. I ahead ;-) I think it is not a good idea if the ELOG author pushes on that, but better someone else.
Best,
Stefan
Sebastian Schenk wrote: |
Hello,
I noticed the wikipedia article of the ELOG got deleted in November 2021.
With the reason: "Poorly sourced article, and I was not able to find good sources myself."
I could access the old article through web.archive.org, but for the project it would be good, if the article got revived.
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Re: Wikipedia Article deleted, posted by Andreas Luedeke on Fri Jan 27 22:25:18 2023
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It appears to me that this is a really stupid problem: the article provides many links to sources, but they are just links, not "references". That does not count, since links could be something else than references.
I'll try to edit it and transform the list of external links into references to verify the text. Lets hope that this will suffice.
Okay: found three articles about applications of ELOG and put them under references. I took the liberty to submit the draft: it shows that they expect some month delay for a review. I have no idea if that was what they want, but it is worth a try.
Edmund Blomley wrote: |
If I understand it correctly I think it has to be submitted for review with the blue button on that page, just not sure if that should come from your side or someone else
Stefan Ritt wrote: |
I added some more references, that's about all I can do. Not sure if that is enough.
Stefan
Edmund Blomley wrote: |
It was now moved to the Draft space (which I did not even now existed so far): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:ELOG
Sebastian Schenk wrote: |
I have requested an undeletion of the article. The article was deleted "PROD", which means that someone tagged it. And if noone removes the tag, it could be deleted.
I could revive the article. So in the future, One should have an eye on it and maybe update the current version of the software.
If there iy an paper on the elog, maybe it could be cited for more creditability.
Andreas Luedeke wrote: |
It looks to me like only an author of an article can contradict a deletion. I did not find a single method to even comment on the deletion.
I am not an Wikipedia expert, can anyone suggest on how to push for the article to be restored? Or do we just write it again, until people stop deleting it?
Stefan Ritt wrote: |
I agree. I ahead ;-) I think it is not a good idea if the ELOG author pushes on that, but better someone else.
Best,
Stefan
Sebastian Schenk wrote: |
Hello,
I noticed the wikipedia article of the ELOG got deleted in November 2021.
With the reason: "Poorly sourced article, and I was not able to find good sources myself."
I could access the old article through web.archive.org, but for the project it would be good, if the article got revived.
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Re: Wikipedia Article deleted, posted by John Kelly on Sat Jan 28 08:11:05 2023
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Wikipedia has been an unreliable source for a very long time, just for the reasons that we are seeing here now with psi and Elog. Those that 'run' Wikipedia are political and authoratative. I have not only had these negative experiences with 'them' but know of many others that have as well. I see no reason why an organization as ours with such great ideas, programs and people need to be on their site. I think it would 'say more' if we left this as is and let others see how unreliable Wikipedia really is.
John
Andreas Luedeke wrote: |
It appears to me that this is a really stupid problem: the article provides many links to sources, but they are just links, not "references". That does not count, since links could be something else than references.
I'll try to edit it and transform the list of external links into references to verify the text. Lets hope that this will suffice.
Okay: found three articles about applications of ELOG and put them under references. I took the liberty to submit the draft: it shows that they expect some month delay for a review. I have no idea if that was what they want, but it is worth a try.
Edmund Blomley wrote: |
If I understand it correctly I think it has to be submitted for review with the blue button on that page, just not sure if that should come from your side or someone else
Stefan Ritt wrote: |
I added some more references, that's about all I can do. Not sure if that is enough.
Stefan
Edmund Blomley wrote: |
It was now moved to the Draft space (which I did not even now existed so far): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:ELOG
Sebastian Schenk wrote: |
I have requested an undeletion of the article. The article was deleted "PROD", which means that someone tagged it. And if noone removes the tag, it could be deleted.
I could revive the article. So in the future, One should have an eye on it and maybe update the current version of the software.
If there iy an paper on the elog, maybe it could be cited for more creditability.
Andreas Luedeke wrote: |
It looks to me like only an author of an article can contradict a deletion. I did not find a single method to even comment on the deletion.
I am not an Wikipedia expert, can anyone suggest on how to push for the article to be restored? Or do we just write it again, until people stop deleting it?
Stefan Ritt wrote: |
I agree. I ahead ;-) I think it is not a good idea if the ELOG author pushes on that, but better someone else.
Best,
Stefan
Sebastian Schenk wrote: |
Hello,
I noticed the wikipedia article of the ELOG got deleted in November 2021.
With the reason: "Poorly sourced article, and I was not able to find good sources myself."
I could access the old article through web.archive.org, but for the project it would be good, if the article got revived.
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Re: Wikipedia Article deleted, posted by David Pilgram on Sat Jan 28 14:26:07 2023
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I am rather with John on this.
I deliberately stopped contributing to Wikipedia years ago after I added an observation to an entry. That is, a piece of what could be called original research. It was shot down in flames for being precisely that: original research. From what I read in the Draft:Elog and the Talk section, I think that the same issue in some guise or other will come up. All of us use and love Elog - I think I use it for all of the listed purposes - but apart from being in the Debian distro (which I did not know about) there is very little published primary sources. Mind you, the quality of publications as primary sources can be questioned, I can bore on with several examples.
Has anyone ever published a paper citing their filing cabinet organisation? Elog's obviously different, but has the same problem when it comes to citations. It is a utility, a very useful one, but the sort of utility that might just make an aside in a paper these days. If we were in the 1980s and (hypothetically) Elog was available and as functional, that would probably make it the subject in computer research papers and magazines.
David.
John Kelly wrote: |
Wikipedia has been an unreliable source for a very long time, just for the reasons that we are seeing here now with psi and Elog. Those that 'run' Wikipedia are political and authoratative. I have not only had these negative experiences with 'them' but know of many others that have as well. I see no reason why an organization as ours with such great ideas, programs and people need to be on their site. I think it would 'say more' if we left this as is and let others see how unreliable Wikipedia really is.
John
Andreas Luedeke wrote: |
It appears to me that this is a really stupid problem: the article provides many links to sources, but they are just links, not "references". That does not count, since links could be something else than references.
I'll try to edit it and transform the list of external links into references to verify the text. Lets hope that this will suffice.
Okay: found three articles about applications of ELOG and put them under references. I took the liberty to submit the draft: it shows that they expect some month delay for a review. I have no idea if that was what they want, but it is worth a try.
Edmund Blomley wrote: |
If I understand it correctly I think it has to be submitted for review with the blue button on that page, just not sure if that should come from your side or someone else
Stefan Ritt wrote: |
I added some more references, that's about all I can do. Not sure if that is enough.
Stefan
Edmund Blomley wrote: |
It was now moved to the Draft space (which I did not even now existed so far): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:ELOG
Sebastian Schenk wrote: |
I have requested an undeletion of the article. The article was deleted "PROD", which means that someone tagged it. And if noone removes the tag, it could be deleted.
I could revive the article. So in the future, One should have an eye on it and maybe update the current version of the software.
If there iy an paper on the elog, maybe it could be cited for more creditability.
Andreas Luedeke wrote: |
It looks to me like only an author of an article can contradict a deletion. I did not find a single method to even comment on the deletion.
I am not an Wikipedia expert, can anyone suggest on how to push for the article to be restored? Or do we just write it again, until people stop deleting it?
Stefan Ritt wrote: |
I agree. I ahead ;-) I think it is not a good idea if the ELOG author pushes on that, but better someone else.
Best,
Stefan
Sebastian Schenk wrote: |
Hello,
I noticed the wikipedia article of the ELOG got deleted in November 2021.
With the reason: "Poorly sourced article, and I was not able to find good sources myself."
I could access the old article through web.archive.org, but for the project it would be good, if the article got revived.
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