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  257   Sun May 26 13:08:52 2013 tmiron alon 

Hallo,
I'm using DRS4 Evaluation Board Rev 4.0 and I'm trying to change the output of the samples to be an average of  #  measurements (1000 or even more)
during the process I have encountered some difficulties I hope you will be able to help me  with:

1. the DRS chip have 8 channels but the Evaluation board have only 4 channels. does the default mode of the DRS in the Evaluation Board is 1024 bins for each channel or 2048?

2. in the readout mode, does it samples all the 1024 bins waveform from a channel and then move to the next one, or after each bin it move to the next channel?

3. In the file "drs4_eval4_app.vhd", I have a problem finding the names of the signals that represents the registers bits which tell me what is the number of the bin (1-1024) the ADC is reading from the DRS, and the signals

that represents registers A0-A3. can you send me their names? 

 

4. In another matter- is the -0.5V to 0.5V is the  upper and lower  limit of the input (or just a working range), and if not what is the limit for AC?  is there a fuse on the board in case of overload from the input? (I didn't see  it in the User's Manual, but I didn't know if you will mention it there in case there is one).

thanks in advance and have a nice day,

Tmiron

  258   Fri Jun 7 10:22:48 2013 Stefan Ritt 

tmiron alon wrote:

Hallo,
I'm using DRS4 Evaluation Board Rev 4.0 and I'm trying to change the output of the samples to be an average of  #  measurements (1000 or even more)
during the process I have encountered some difficulties I hope you will be able to help me  with:

1. the DRS chip have 8 channels but the Evaluation board have only 4 channels. does the default mode of the DRS in the Evaluation Board is 1024 bins for each channel or 2048?

2. in the readout mode, does it samples all the 1024 bins waveform from a channel and then move to the next one, or after each bin it move to the next channel?

3. In the file "drs4_eval4_app.vhd", I have a problem finding the names of the signals that represents the registers bits which tell me what is the number of the bin (1-1024) the ADC is reading from the DRS, and the signals

that represents registers A0-A3. can you send me their names? 

 

4. In another matter- is the -0.5V to 0.5V is the  upper and lower  limit of the input (or just a working range), and if not what is the limit for AC?  is there a fuse on the board in case of overload from the input? (I didn't see  it in the User's Manual, but I didn't know if you will mention it there in case there is one).

thanks in advance and have a nice day,

Tmiron

1. All 8 channels are read out, but only 4 are displayed in the oscilloscope.

2. It reads all 1024 bins from a channel, then switch to the next channel.

3. The ADC readout happens in lines 1576+. The register for the sample count is drs_sample_count, and the signal for the address is drs_addr.

4. The evaluation board manual explicitly mentions the maximum allowed input range on page 5.

/Stefan 

  287   Tue Aug 27 16:14:49 2013 lengchongyang 

  Hello everyone!I'm a new user of DRS4 board,but it seems that some files are missing in my demo project.So I hope someone could help me by sending a correct VHDL hardware project to my Email:lcyiss900@gmail.com.Thanks in advance!

T

 

  288   Wed Aug 28 04:05:48 2013 lengchongyang 

lengchongyang wrote:

  Hello everyone!I'm a new user of DRS4 board,but it seems that some files are missing in my demo project.So I hope someone could help me by sending a correct VHDL hardware project to my Email:lcyiss900@gmail.com.Thanks in advance!

T

 

 I checked my project today and I think I need the file USR_LIB_VEC_IOFD_CPE_NALL.I don't know if is it a VHD files or a IP core.

I'll be extremely grateful.

  301   Wed Nov 6 16:35:42 2013 Stefan Ritt 

lengchongyang wrote:

lengchongyang wrote:

  Hello everyone!I'm a new user of DRS4 board,but it seems that some files are missing in my demo project.So I hope someone could help me by sending a correct VHDL hardware project to my Email:lcyiss900@gmail.com.Thanks in advance!

T

 

 I checked my project today and I think I need the file USR_LIB_VEC_IOFD_CPE_NALL.I don't know if is it a VHD files or a IP core.

I'll be extremely grateful.

 USR_LIB_VEC_IOFD_CPE_NALL is defined in firmware/srs/usr_lib.vhd which is part of the software package.

  484   Fri Mar 11 19:50:18 2016 Dominik Neise 

Hello Stefan,

I just stumbled again over a phrase in the DRS4 datasheet I never really understood, but didn't find the time to ask.

On page 8 it says: "An internal circuit ensures that the write signal is always 16 cells wide."

So when I look at a single channel, do I understand correctly, that at any given time during sampling, always 16 cells are open, i.e. 16 cells are connected to the analog inputs? So when the domino frequency is e.g. 5GHz then each cell sees the analog input not for 200ps but for 3.2ns correct?

  486   Tue Mar 22 12:54:41 2016 Stefan Ritt 

Yes this is correct. But it is a sample-and-hold circuit. So the sampling cell follows the input for 3.2 ns, then samples and holds the current value at the end of the period.

Dominik Neise wrote:

Hello Stefan,

I just stumbled again over a phrase in the DRS4 datasheet I never really understood, but didn't find the time to ask.

On page 8 it says: "An internal circuit ensures that the write signal is always 16 cells wide."

So when I look at a single channel, do I understand correctly, that at any given time during sampling, always 16 cells are open, i.e. 16 cells are connected to the analog inputs? So when the domino frequency is e.g. 5GHz then each cell sees the analog input not for 200ps but for 3.2ns correct?

 

  541   Thu Oct 6 15:23:18 2016 Will Flanagan 

Hi Stefan,

That is exactly what I'm looking for. Thanks again!

Will

  698   Thu Jun 7 16:27:21 2018 Phan Van Chuan 

Dear Stefan,

I am using an DRS4 board to test the signal from an scintillator detector; It has connected well to the computer on DRS Oscilloscope (Figure 1). Now, I am having a problem of developing from the code of the drs_exam program, because the DRS4 board has not connected to the computer when translation the drs_exam program (Figure 2). Before running the drs_exam program, I copied the libusb-1.0.lib file to the computer's "C: \ Program Files \ Microsoft SDKs \ Windows \ v7.0A \ Lib" folder. Can you show me how to solve this problem?

 

Figure 1.

 

Figure 2.

Thank you very much!

Best Regards,

Chuan

  699   Fri Jun 8 08:11:05 2018 Stefan Ritt 

Several people reported this problem, but we cannot reproduce it at our lab. Both the oscilloscope and the command line interface use exactly the same code to connect to the board. Have you tried the solution reported here: elog:657 ?

Best,

Stefan

Phan Van Chuan wrote:

Dear Stefan,

I am using an DRS4 board to test the signal from an scintillator detector; It has connected well to the computer on DRS Oscilloscope (Figure 1). Now, I am having a problem of developing from the code of the drs_exam program, because the DRS4 board has not connected to the computer when translation the drs_exam program (Figure 2). Before running the drs_exam program, I copied the libusb-1.0.lib file to the computer's "C: \ Program Files \ Microsoft SDKs \ Windows \ v7.0A \ Lib" folder. Can you show me how to solve this problem?

 

Figure 1.

 

Figure 2.

Thank you very much!

Best Regards,

Chuan

 

  882   Tue Apr 12 10:40:36 2022 LynseyShun 

Hello, I am Lynsey. now I set A3-A0 to 1001 in ROI mode, but only OUT0 has output, and the other seven channels(OUT1-OUT7) do not output corresponding waveforms.

In ROI mode, can OUT0-OUT7 output sampled waveforms at the same time?

thank you very much

  883   Tue Apr 12 10:49:27 2022 Stefan Ritt 

A3-A0 = 1001 should be all you need to activate OUT0-OUT7. It works in our designs. Maybe double check the address lines with an oscilloscope.

Stefan

LynseyShun wrote:

Hello, I am Lynsey. now I set A3-A0 to 1001 in ROI mode, but only OUT0 has output, and the other seven channels(OUT1-OUT7) do not output corresponding waveforms.

In ROI mode, can OUT0-OUT7 output sampled waveforms at the same time?

thank you very much

 

  884   Thu Jun 16 05:31:25 2022 LynseyShun 

Thank you very much for your help!

Stefan Ritt wrote:

A3-A0 = 1001 should be all you need to activate OUT0-OUT7. It works in our designs. Maybe double check the address lines with an oscilloscope.

Stefan

LynseyShun wrote:

Hello, I am Lynsey. now I set A3-A0 to 1001 in ROI mode, but only OUT0 has output, and the other seven channels(OUT1-OUT7) do not output corresponding waveforms.

In ROI mode, can OUT0-OUT7 output sampled waveforms at the same time?

thank you very much

 

 

  402   Thu Apr 9 11:46:33 2015 Felix Bachmair DRSBoard::SetTriggerSource

Hi

I have a question about the function SetTriggerSource in the class DRSBoard (DRS.h/DRS.cpp)

In the implementation there is the following comment:

// Set trigger configuration

// OR 0=CH1, 1=CH2, 2=CH3, 3=CH4, 4=EXT

// AND 8=CH1, 9=CH2, 10=CH3, 11=CH4, 12=EXT

 

What does this exactly mean? I am assuming that this are the bits which are set?

e.g

source = 1 ==> CH1

source = 4352 = 0x1100 ==> CH1 and ext

How is the AND/Or logic implemented?

When i have:

source = 0x1803 (bit 12,11,1,0)

what is the right way to set the brackets to expalin the logic?

(EXT and CH4 ) or CH2 or CH1 ?

 

Cheers Felix Bachmair

ETH Zurich

  405   Tue Apr 21 12:01:45 2015 Stefan Ritt DRSBoard::SetTriggerSource

Your first assumption is correct, e.g.

source = 00000000'00000001 = 0x0001 ==> CH1

source = 00010001'00000000 = 0x1100 ==> CH1 and EXT

So the lower byte is the "OR" block, and the upper byte is the "AND" block. Both blocks are combined via an "OR" so

source = 00011000'00000011 = 0x1803 is (EXT and CH4) OR (CH1 or CH2)

The "OR" combination between the two blocks is fixed in the firmware and cannot be changed without changing the firmware, but theoretically any logical combination between five inputs would be possible if you touch thr firmware.

/Stefan

 

Felix Bachmair wrote:

Hi

I have a question about the function SetTriggerSource in the class DRSBoard (DRS.h/DRS.cpp)

In the implementation there is the following comment:

// Set trigger configuration

// OR 0=CH1, 1=CH2, 2=CH3, 3=CH4, 4=EXT

// AND 8=CH1, 9=CH2, 10=CH3, 11=CH4, 12=EXT

 

What does this exactly mean? I am assuming that this are the bits which are set?

e.g

source = 1 ==> CH1

source = 4352 = 0x1100 ==> CH1 and ext

How is the AND/Or logic implemented?

When i have:

source = 0x1803 (bit 12,11,1,0)

what is the right way to set the brackets to expalin the logic?

(EXT and CH4 ) or CH2 or CH1 ?

 

Cheers Felix Bachmair

ETH Zurich

 

  106   Wed Jul 21 10:46:32 2010 Jinhong Wang ENOB of DRS

 Hi, Stefan, I see in your ppt "Design and performance of 6 GSPS waveform digitizing chip DRS4" , you define DRS4 ENOB as 1Vpp/0.35mv(RMS) = 11.5bit, where, 1Vpp is the linearity input range, and 0.35mv is the rms voltage after offset correction. What I understand is that 0.35mV is obtained from DC offset Correction, hence 11.5 bit is for DC input, am i right?  If true, what about ENOB for AC input in the whole analog bandwidth?  thanks~

  107   Wed Jul 21 10:58:20 2010 Stefan Ritt ENOB of DRS

Jinhong Wang wrote:

 Hi, Stefan, I see in your ppt "Design and performance of 6 GSPS waveform digitizing chip DRS4" , you define DRS4 ENOB as 1Vpp/0.35mv(RMS) = 11.5bit, where, 1Vpp is the linearity input range, and 0.35mv is the rms voltage after offset correction. What I understand is that 0.35mV is obtained from DC offset Correction, hence 11.5 bit is for DC input, am i right?  If true, what about ENOB for AC input in the whole analog bandwidth?  thanks~

The expression ENOB for 1Vpp/0.35mV(RMS) is wrong, but I learned this later. Now I call it SNR. The ENOB is calculated in a more complicated way, see for example http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ENOB. If you measure the ENOB without timing correction, it's pretty poor (in the order of 7-8 bits). This is because without timing calibration, a sine input has huge side bands, and the ENOB involves the power of your signal over the power of the side bands. If you do a proper timing calibration, you spectrum gets "sharper", and hence the ENOB increases. But I have to admit that I never measured it carefully, since we are still optimizing the timing calibration. Once we have a perfect timing calibration, I will do it and update the data sheet. 

  697   Thu May 17 13:29:34 2018 Stefan Ritt"Symmetric spikes" fixed

Good news for all DRS4 users. After many years, I finally understand where the "symmetric spikes" come from and how to fix them.

The "symmetric spikes" are small spikes of 17-18mV, which randomly happen at 1-2 cells. They alwas come in groups of 2 in each channel, symmetric around sampling cell #512. See first attachment.

The reason for the spikes is the previous readout cycle. On each readout cycle, the "read bit" is clocked through all 1024 cells to switch one cell contents to the DRS4 output. At the end of the 1024 cycles, the read bit stays at its last position. The bit is carried by a metal line on the chip, which crosses all 9 channels (second attachment). This bit now influences the sampling cells below the metal line capacitively, so their contents is "pushed up" by a few mV, just like the ROFS offset does. Since the DRS sampling channels are in a snake layout, going 0-512 from left, then 512-1023 back again, the line crosses two cells in each channel, and thus the symmetric spikes.

Previously, there was a software solution for that. In the evaluation board software DRSOsc there is a button "Remove spikes" which tries to fix this in software. Although this works most of the time, it's annoying and not 100% safe. Like when the spike sits on top of a noise signal, it might not be recognized. Fixing this in hardware is however straight forwar. After the readout cycle ends, push the read bit out of the chip:

  • Address the read shift register by applying 1011b to A3:A0
  • Switch SRIN low
  • Apply 1024 clock cycles to SRCLK

This shifts the bit out of the chip, so that the next event is not affected by the read bit. The third attachment show the effect of this. The "clear cycle" increases the readout time a little bit, but depending on the application this might be worth it.

Regards,
Stefan

  714   Mon Sep 3 11:17:26 2018 Martin Petriska"Symmetric spikes" fixed

Hi,

Is it possible to fix it by FPGA changes?  I see readout cycle (proc_drs_reedout) in drs4_eval(4)5_app.vhd, but not sure where to exactly put this three commands. Could you please attach app.vhd file for eval board with example how to fix ?

Regards,

Martin

 

Stefan Ritt wrote:

Good news for all DRS4 users. After many years, I finally understand where the "symmetric spikes" come from and how to fix them.

The "symmetric spikes" are small spikes of 17-18mV, which randomly happen at 1-2 cells. They alwas come in groups of 2 in each channel, symmetric around sampling cell #512. See first attachment.

The reason for the spikes is the previous readout cycle. On each readout cycle, the "read bit" is clocked through all 1024 cells to switch one cell contents to the DRS4 output. At the end of the 1024 cycles, the read bit stays at its last position. The bit is carried by a metal line on the chip, which crosses all 9 channels (second attachment). This bit now influences the sampling cells below the metal line capacitively, so their contents is "pushed up" by a few mV, just like the ROFS offset does. Since the DRS sampling channels are in a snake layout, going 0-512 from left, then 512-1023 back again, the line crosses two cells in each channel, and thus the symmetric spikes.

Previously, there was a software solution for that. In the evaluation board software DRSOsc there is a button "Remove spikes" which tries to fix this in software. Although this works most of the time, it's annoying and not 100% safe. Like when the spike sits on top of a noise signal, it might not be recognized. Fixing this in hardware is however straight forwar. After the readout cycle ends, push the read bit out of the chip:

  • Address the read shift register by applying 1011b to A3:A0
  • Switch SRIN low
  • Apply 1024 clock cycles to SRCLK

This shifts the bit out of the chip, so that the next event is not affected by the read bit. The third attachment show the effect of this. The "clear cycle" increases the readout time a little bit, but depending on the application this might be worth it.

Regards,
Stefan

 

  715   Tue Sep 4 13:04:30 2018 Stefan Ritt"Symmetric spikes" fixed

Yes it's possible, but I have to find time for that. The software of the evaluation board takes care of the spikes ("remove spikes"), so I thought it's not so urgent to fix that in the FPGA (which takes me some time).

Stefan

Martin Petriska wrote:

Hi,

Is it possible to fix it by FPGA changes?  I see readout cycle (proc_drs_reedout) in drs4_eval(4)5_app.vhd, but not sure where to exactly put this three commands. Could you please attach app.vhd file for eval board with example how to fix ?

Regards,

Martin

 

Stefan Ritt wrote:

Good news for all DRS4 users. After many years, I finally understand where the "symmetric spikes" come from and how to fix them.

The "symmetric spikes" are small spikes of 17-18mV, which randomly happen at 1-2 cells. They alwas come in groups of 2 in each channel, symmetric around sampling cell #512. See first attachment.

The reason for the spikes is the previous readout cycle. On each readout cycle, the "read bit" is clocked through all 1024 cells to switch one cell contents to the DRS4 output. At the end of the 1024 cycles, the read bit stays at its last position. The bit is carried by a metal line on the chip, which crosses all 9 channels (second attachment). This bit now influences the sampling cells below the metal line capacitively, so their contents is "pushed up" by a few mV, just like the ROFS offset does. Since the DRS sampling channels are in a snake layout, going 0-512 from left, then 512-1023 back again, the line crosses two cells in each channel, and thus the symmetric spikes.

Previously, there was a software solution for that. In the evaluation board software DRSOsc there is a button "Remove spikes" which tries to fix this in software. Although this works most of the time, it's annoying and not 100% safe. Like when the spike sits on top of a noise signal, it might not be recognized. Fixing this in hardware is however straight forwar. After the readout cycle ends, push the read bit out of the chip:

  • Address the read shift register by applying 1011b to A3:A0
  • Switch SRIN low
  • Apply 1024 clock cycles to SRCLK

This shifts the bit out of the chip, so that the next event is not affected by the read bit. The third attachment show the effect of this. The "clear cycle" increases the readout time a little bit, but depending on the application this might be worth it.

Regards,
Stefan

 

 

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