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  18   Mon Oct 19 09:13:00 2009 Stefan RittBIAS Pin of DRS4

Jinhong Wang wrote:

Dear Mr. Stefan Ritt.

         Thank u for your timely response on "DSR4 Full Readout Mode", I received it from Professor Qi An, who is my PhD supervisor.

        I am currently going through the DRS4 datasheet. Well, can you give some specification on the usage of "BIAS" pin of DRS4? It is just metioned in the datasheet as bias of internal buffer. What is the internal buffer exactly reffered to here? The MUXOUT buffer of channel 8 or else? Does it have some relationship to O_OFS? I mean, if the reference voltage to BIAS is changed, how will the output be influenced?

       Looking forward to hearing from you soon.

                                                                       Jinhong Wang

                                                                    Fast Electronics LAB. of University of Science and Technology of China.

"internal buffers" are all internal operational amplifiers in the DRS4 chip. Every OPAMP needs a bias (just look it up in any electronics textbook), which determines the linearity and the speed of the OPAMP. When designing DRS4, I was not sure if the required BIAS voltage changes over time, or between chips, so I made it available at a pin, which is a common technique in chip design. But it turns out now that this voltage is not very critical, so just keeping the pin open will work in most cases. 

  638   Thu Nov 16 02:55:44 2017 Diego YankelevichAveraging capabilities

The Display window in the Oscilloscope software shows averaging capabilites but I have not been able to activate these. Is it possible to activate averaging with the existing oscilloscope software? Thanks

  644   Wed Nov 22 14:52:31 2017 Stefan RittAveraging capabilities

This feature is not yet implemented. The (disabled) software swtich is more like a kind of a reminder to myself to work on that one day...

Diego Yankelevich wrote:

The Display window in the Oscilloscope software shows averaging capabilites but I have not been able to activate these. Is it possible to activate averaging with the existing oscilloscope software? Thanks

 

  197   Mon Dec 3 08:32:28 2012 Gyuhee KimAnother question about using multi boards.

 Hi.

 

I asked about using multi boards some days ago, and I got answer to use external trigger. (Thanks Stefan!)

And here is another question. I made two external triggers and try to acquire coincidence data using two boards. but DRS Oscilloscope program can connect only one board and don`t acquire both of them simultaneously.

So I tried to use two computer for each board separately, but, well, you already know, I failed to acquire because two computers don`t promise to synchronize the two boards acquisition.

Is there any method to solve this problem?

 

1. I want to acquire coincidence data from the two DRS 4 Evaluation board V4 simultaneosly.

2. I have external trigger to provide the two boards at the same time.

3. How can I get data from the two boards?

 

Best regards.

Gyuhee.

  198   Mon Dec 3 09:18:09 2012 Stefan RittAnother question about using multi boards.

Gyuhee Kim wrote:

 Hi.

 

I asked about using multi boards some days ago, and I got answer to use external trigger. (Thanks Stefan!)

And here is another question. I made two external triggers and try to acquire coincidence data using two boards. but DRS Oscilloscope program can connect only one board and don`t acquire both of them simultaneously.

So I tried to use two computer for each board separately, but, well, you already know, I failed to acquire because two computers don`t promise to synchronize the two boards acquisition.

Is there any method to solve this problem?

 

1. I want to acquire coincidence data from the two DRS 4 Evaluation board V4 simultaneosly.

2. I have external trigger to provide the two boards at the same time.

3. How can I get data from the two boards?

 

Best regards.

Gyuhee.

You have to write your own program. DRS Oscilloscope does not (yet) support this. Take drs_exam.cpp as a starting point and try to extend it to two boards. One tricky point is that the external trigger may only fire AFTER the two boards have been read out. So you need some means of re-enabling the external trigger after you read out both boards.

Stefan 

  199   Mon Dec 3 11:40:35 2012 Gyuhee KimAnother question about using multi boards.

Stefan Ritt wrote:

Gyuhee Kim wrote:

 Hi.

 

I asked about using multi boards some days ago, and I got answer to use external trigger. (Thanks Stefan!)

And here is another question. I made two external triggers and try to acquire coincidence data using two boards. but DRS Oscilloscope program can connect only one board and don`t acquire both of them simultaneously.

So I tried to use two computer for each board separately, but, well, you already know, I failed to acquire because two computers don`t promise to synchronize the two boards acquisition.

Is there any method to solve this problem?

 

1. I want to acquire coincidence data from the two DRS 4 Evaluation board V4 simultaneosly.

2. I have external trigger to provide the two boards at the same time.

3. How can I get data from the two boards?

 

Best regards.

Gyuhee.

You have to write your own program. DRS Oscilloscope does not (yet) support this. Take drs_exam.cpp as a starting point and try to extend it to two boards. One tricky point is that the external trigger may only fire AFTER the two boards have been read out. So you need some means of re-enabling the external trigger after you read out both boards.

Stefan 

That`s very bad news for me. I don`t have much time to study & write C programming...

Anyway, Thank you very much Stefan.

 

Best regards.

Gyuhee.

  323   Wed Jan 15 14:20:51 2014 Stefan RittAnnouncement of new Evaluation Board V5

Dear DRS community,

starting from this year, we ship the new evaluation board V5. This board has an improved internal timing calibration, with which one can measure the time with a precision down to a few ps. Following picture shows the time between two pulses, obtained with a function generator, a passive split and a delay cable. The single threshold time estimator of the DRSOsc program obtains with such signal a resolution of 2.5 ps (RMS):

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Using more sophisticated algorithms such as cross-correlation, resolutions below 1 ps were already achieved.

The new board can now be ordered at the same price than the V4 board, delivery will start in March 2014.

Best regards,
Stefan Ritt
 

  331   Tue Feb 18 14:12:37 2014 Stefan RittAnnouncement of new Evaluation Board V5

Stefan Ritt wrote:

Dear DRS community,

starting from this year, we ship the new evaluation board V5. This board has an improved internal timing calibration, with which one can measure the time with a precision down to a few ps. Following picture shows the time between two pulses, obtained with a function generator, a passive split and a delay cable. The single threshold time estimator of the DRSOsc program obtains with such signal a resolution of 2.5 ps (RMS).

Using more sophisticated algorithms such as cross-correlation, resolutions below 1 ps were already achieved.

The new board can now be ordered at the same price than the V4 board, delivery will start in March 2014.

Best regards,
Stefan Ritt
 

The new software for the V5 evaluation board has been released today with following new features:

  • Hardware scalers for all four channels and the trigger working up to 200 MHz. With the trigger scaler one can measure for example coincidence rates between two channels.
  • New vertical and horizontal "slice" measurements. This allows to measure the amplitude of a signal at a certain time relative to the trigger point or the time when a signal crosses a certain level.
  • Gated charge measurement allowing to measure the charge of a signal between two time markers, like an old-fashioned charge integrating ADC.

The software is available at the the usual location http://www.psi.ch/drs/software-download for Linux, Windows and Mac OSX. I'm working right now to get it also into the Apple App Store.

/Stefan

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  351   Mon Jun 9 12:03:26 2014 Osip LishilinAnnouncement of new Evaluation Board V5

Stefan Ritt wrote:

Hardware scalers for all four channels and the trigger working up to 200 MHz. With the trigger scaler one can measure for example coincidence rates between two channels.

 Does it give the ability to measure triggering rate? I'm talking again about possibility of use DRS4 as pulse counter for PMT's. If yes, do I need new v5 board or it is possible to use v4 board?

  352   Wed Jun 11 11:13:50 2014 Stefan RittAnnouncement of new Evaluation Board V5

Osip Lishilin wrote:

Stefan Ritt wrote:

Hardware scalers for all four channels and the trigger working up to 200 MHz. With the trigger scaler one can measure for example coincidence rates between two channels.

 Does it give the ability to measure triggering rate? I'm talking again about possibility of use DRS4 as pulse counter for PMT's. If yes, do I need new v5 board or it is possible to use v4 board?

Yes it is possible to measure the raw trigger rate, with a resolution of 10 Hz. You need a new V5 board for that. 

  356   Mon Jun 16 15:35:59 2014 Osip LishilinAnnouncement of new Evaluation Board V5

Stefan Ritt wrote:

Osip Lishilin wrote:

Stefan Ritt wrote:

Hardware scalers for all four channels and the trigger working up to 200 MHz. With the trigger scaler one can measure for example coincidence rates between two channels.

 Does it give the ability to measure triggering rate? I'm talking again about possibility of use DRS4 as pulse counter for PMT's. If yes, do I need new v5 board or it is possible to use v4 board?

Yes it is possible to measure the raw trigger rate, with a resolution of 10 Hz. You need a new V5 board for that. 

I'm not sure if I understand you correctly. The trigger rate could be up to 200 MHz, and it's possible to measure it  with 10 Hz resolution. Is it right?

Does it possible to measure independent trigger rate for each channel?

  99   Mon Jul 12 16:07:37 2010 Stefan RittAnnouncement evaluation board V3

Dear DRS4 users,

a new version of the evaluation board has been designed and is in production now. The main difference is that it uses active input amplifiers, which result in an analog bandwidth of 700 MHz (as compared with the 220 MHz of the previous board) at moderate power consumption, so the board can still be powered by the USB port. New orders will receive boards V3, the old V2 boards are not available any more.

It is mandatory to use the software revision 3.0.0 or later with the new board. This software has also many new features in the oscilloscope application, and together with the new firmware it reduces the noise of the board below 0.5 mV RMS. Although the software can be used with old V2 boards, some limitations might apply due to the old firmware of the boards. People having a Xilinx download cable can flash the firmware contained in the 3.0.0 revision to their V2 board to get all features of the new software.

The evaluation board manual V3 contains the new schematics of the analog inputs using the THS4508 differential amplifier, so people doing their own design can use this schematics as and example.

Best regards,

   Stefan Ritt

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  116   Fri Feb 25 10:13:51 2011 Stefan RittAnnouncement digital pulse processing workshop

Dear colleague,

if you live not so far from Zurich, you might be interested in this workshop:

http://www.xtronix.ch/hep/psi_workshop.htm

This is a combined PSI-CAEN presentation of digitizer hardware including the new V1742 board based on the DRS4 chip. The workshop will also show how digital pulse processing can be used to effectively extract time and energy from detector signals, and thus replace more and more traditional analog electronics. Please register at the above site if you are interested.

Best regards,

    Stefan Ritt

  6   Mon Apr 27 15:09:49 2009 Stefan RittAmplitude and Timing calibration for DRS4 Evaluation Board

This is a quick notification to all users of the current DRS4 evaluation board.

As you all know, the DRS4 chip needs some calibration for each individual cell which corrects the offset and the non-equidistant width in time. While the first evaluation boards have been shipped without this calibration, the current version of the software implements a full amplitude and timing calibration. The offset correction reduces the noise of the board by almost an order of magnitude to below 1 mV RMS. The timing calibration using an on-board reference clock allows a timing accuracy in the order of 10 ps. To illustrate that the following two pictures show a reference clock signal before and after timing calibration:

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cal.png

The integral temporal nonlineairy at 5 GSPS before timing calibration is about 600 ps as can be seen by the jitter of the overlaid waveforms.

In order to do a timing calibration, the firmware revison 13297 or later is required. The current software package 2.1 contains an updated firmware, but unfortunately one needs a Xilinx download cable to flash this new firmware (see http://drs.web.psi.ch/download/ under "Software Versions"). If some people want an update but do not want to buy such a cable, we offer a free update at our institute (just the postage has to be paid). The old evaluation board (Rev. 1.0, plastic housing) can unfortunately not be updated.

After the offset calibration is made, there are small (~20mV) short spikes left. They probably come from some cross-talk between the USB interface and the analog part of the board. This is currently under investigation. If new updates become available, they will be announced in this forum.

 

April 27th, 2009,

Stefan Ritt

  584   Sat Jan 28 14:11:58 2017 Danny PetschkeAND trigger problems

 Dear Stefan,

I have 2 identical pulses as a splittet signal with an amplitude of 300mV. Range is -0.5-0.5V, 5.12GSamp using the Evaluation-Board. Both signals are triggered in AND logic. One of the signals is delayed by a fixed value of 1-50ns for testing. On increasing the trigger Level from 10% to 50% of amplitude (pulse rise time is 2.5ns) pulses cannot anymore triggered above 4-5ns delay. It means there is a proportionality between the trigger level and the available range where 2 signals can be triggered in AND logic (Time-difference between 2 pulses). Do I anything misunderstand or is the time the comparator needs by higher trigger Levels for comparation longer than the 200ns at 5.12GSamp?

Board was timing and voltage calibrated before.

Thx

Danny

  585   Mon Jan 30 16:37:33 2017 Stefan RittAND trigger problems

In the evaluation board we use an ADCMP601 comparator, which has a setup and hold time of 4.6 ns. So a pulse which exceeds the threshold for less than 4.6 ns will not trigger the board. If you AND two signals together, an additional constraint might apply on the coincidence pulse. This is processed in the FPGA, but once it becomes too short, it won't trigger the board as well. I never made a real measurement of that, but I would not be suprised if the coicidence signal (output of AND), needs to be at least 4-5 ns wide.

If you need more refined trigger conditions, make yourself an old-fashioned external trigger (with NIM modules for example), stretch the output to 10 ns and feed it into the external trigger input of the DRS4 board (5V CMOS logic, not NIM!).

Best,

Stefan

Danny Petschke wrote:

 Dear Stefan,

I have 2 identical pulses as a splittet signal with an amplitude of 300mV. Range is -0.5-0.5V, 5.12GSamp using the Evaluation-Board. Both signals are triggered in AND logic. One of the signals is delayed by a fixed value of 1-50ns for testing. On increasing the trigger Level from 10% to 50% of amplitude (pulse rise time is 2.5ns) pulses cannot anymore triggered above 4-5ns delay. It means there is a proportionality between the trigger level and the available range where 2 signals can be triggered in AND logic (Time-difference between 2 pulses). Do I anything misunderstand or is the time the comparator needs by higher trigger Levels for comparation longer than the 200ns at 5.12GSamp?

Board was timing and voltage calibrated before.

Thx

Danny

 

  616   Thu Jun 8 14:26:23 2017 Rebecca SchmitzAND Trigger problems with 2-3 channels

Hello,

I work with the DRS4 Evaluation Board V5 and I have a problem with the software.

I have a problem with the AND trigger setting.
For this I have chosen the AND trigger function. However, when ONE channel senses an impulse, it triggers. I'm not able to see signals in the other channels, which I selected for the coincidence.

What is the cause of this? Maybe the time window?

I would like to measure a coincidence with two or three random channels. Is it possible?

Thanks for the help.

Rebecca

  617   Thu Jun 8 15:52:20 2017 Stefan RittAND Trigger problems with 2-3 channels

Can you post a screenshot where I can see the channel waveforms, the configuration and the trigger settings?

Stefan

Rebecca Schmitz wrote:

Hello,

I work with the DRS4 Evaluation Board V5 and I have a problem with the software.

I have a problem with the AND trigger setting.
For this I have chosen the AND trigger function. However, when ONE channel senses an impulse, it triggers. I'm not able to see signals in the other channels, which I selected for the coincidence.

What is the cause of this? Maybe the time window?

I would like to measure a coincidence with two or three random channels. Is it possible?

Thanks for the help.

Rebecca

 

  618   Fri Jun 9 09:44:33 2017 Rebecca SchmitzAND Trigger problems with 2-3 channels

Hello,

It seems that a coincidence with two fixed channels suddenly works. I don't know why.

Screenshot 1 shows the trigger settings for the coincidence with two channels.
Screenshot 2 shows the oscilloscope surface.
Screenshot 3 shows the configuration. In the background there is a coincidence with three channels.

In contrast to the coincidence with two channels this doesn't look good.

Rebecca

Stefan Ritt wrote:

Can you post a screenshot where I can see the channel waveforms, the configuration and the trigger settings?

Stefan

Rebecca Schmitz wrote:

Hello,

I work with the DRS4 Evaluation Board V5 and I have a problem with the software.

I have a problem with the AND trigger setting.
For this I have chosen the AND trigger function. However, when ONE channel senses an impulse, it triggers. I'm not able to see signals in the other channels, which I selected for the coincidence.

What is the cause of this? Maybe the time window?

I would like to measure a coincidence with two or three random channels. Is it possible?

Thanks for the help.

Rebecca

 

 

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  620   Thu Jun 22 21:36:08 2017 Stefan RittAND Trigger problems with 2-3 channels

Hi,

from our screenshots I see the following:

- you have sometimes a huge oscillation in your preamplifier. Fix this first before doing any waveform recording

- your signals are barely 20 mV, and your trigger threshold is 20 mV. The coincidence only triggers when both signals are below the trigger threshold at the same time, and the overlap must be longer than 4-5 ns. So if your signals  are not exactly in time, you won't get a coincidence trigger

Stefan

 

Rebecca Schmitz wrote:

Hello,

It seems that a coincidence with two fixed channels suddenly works. I don't know why.

Screenshot 1 shows the trigger settings for the coincidence with two channels.
Screenshot 2 shows the oscilloscope surface.
Screenshot 3 shows the configuration. In the background there is a coincidence with three channels.

In contrast to the coincidence with two channels this doesn't look good.

Rebecca

Stefan Ritt wrote:

Can you post a screenshot where I can see the channel waveforms, the configuration and the trigger settings?

Stefan

Rebecca Schmitz wrote:

Hello,

I work with the DRS4 Evaluation Board V5 and I have a problem with the software.

I have a problem with the AND trigger setting.
For this I have chosen the AND trigger function. However, when ONE channel senses an impulse, it triggers. I'm not able to see signals in the other channels, which I selected for the coincidence.

What is the cause of this? Maybe the time window?

I would like to measure a coincidence with two or three random channels. Is it possible?

Thanks for the help.

Rebecca

 

 

 

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