Hi Kyle,

If I remember right the negative sampling width happens only for 498 and at high sampling speeds. It is described in a paper from Stefan:

http://arxiv.org/pdf/1405.4975.pdf

or

“Novel Calibration Method for Switched Capacitor Arrays Enables Time Measurements With Sub-Picosecond Resolution”( IEEE Transactions on Nuclear Science 61 (2014),Nr. 6, 3607–3617)

I just realized that the negative bin widht is not explicitly mentioned in the quoted paper. So let me explain it here:

The negative value of cell 498 is correct and "real" in the sense that the signal is first captured in cell 498 and later in cell 497. This is due to the exact layout of the cells on the chip and the input signal. Cell 498 is simply much closer to the input, so sees the signal earlier than cell 497, even if it's triggerd after cell 497. So nothing to worry about.

Stefan

Hello everybody,

I get often asked if the DRS4 evaluation board can accomodate negative input pulses going to -1V. This is unfortunately not possible, since the board is mainly for evaluation of the DRS4 chip and should not be seen as a complete oscilloscope with flexible input stage. So the maximum it can do is -0.5V to +0.5V or 0V to 1V. For -1V signals, one can use however a passive inverter like this one:

http://www.phillipsscientific.com/pdf/460ds.pdf

And for signals going furhter (-2V, -10V) one can use a passive attenuator like this one:

http://www.pomonaelectronics.com/pdf/d4108_K5513_101.pdf

Best regards,

Stefan

A new software version 5.0.5 has been released today. This fixes a few bugs in multi-board configurations, and adds saving of the scaler values into XML and binary files. Please note that the binary file format has been changed for that. The new format is described in an updated manual (page 25), and reflected in a new read_binary.cpp program contained in the distribution.

/Stefan

 Are there any plans to include reconstruction of nonuniform sampling  in DRS4 to get uniformly sampled data?

Im now reading article IEEE Trans on Circ. ans Systems I, Vol.55 No.8 sept. 2008 Reconstruction of Nonuniformly Sampled Bandlimited Signals Usinga Differentiator–Multiplier Cascade by Stefan Tertinek and Christian Vogel

and plan to implement it, but may be somebody has it done before me.

Interesting paper. I was not aware of this method. Sounds interesting. AFAIK, nobody has implemented it so far.

My (old) plan was to linearly interpolate samples (something you could do in an FPGA as well), but this will introduce (small) errors. The next best thing would be to do some spline interpolation, but this is time consuming and not suited for an FPGA.

If you get good results with the method above, please let others know about it.

/Stefan 

Dear DRS4 team,

On page 3 of the data sheet, Table 1. for readout speed a typical value of 10 MHz is specified, but in the comment column it notes optimal performance achieved at 33 MHz.

I see the V5.1 eval board runs at 16 MHz. I'd like to understand the rationale for this using speed, instead of 33 MHz. Is there an SNR issue for the ADC at the higher speed, even though this is optimal for the DRS4?

Very best,

Sean

The analog output of the DRS4 chip needs some time to settle. In principle it need an infinite amout of time (exponential curve) to settle to 100% of the final value. So if we sample after a finite time, there is some error we do. Some of the error will be taken care of the voltage calibration, but there remains some residual error depending on the value of the previous sampling cell. So all sampling speeds 10 MHz, 16 MHz, 33 MHz are kind of rule of thumbs. In the end we run the evaluation board at 16 MHz to save a little bit of power (which is limited on an USB device). But I never made a careful study of noise-after-calibration vs. sampling speed. If you have some measurements, I'm happt to include it in the data sheet.

Stefan

Hello,

I have designed four DRS4 chips (36 channels) on my board running at 1GHz (REFCLK=488.28KHz) and ROI mode. All 4 chips' REFCLK, DWRITE, RSRLOAD, and SRCLK are buffer driven by the same source.  SRCLK is set to 40MHz to reduce the readout time.

If I injected a sine waveform, buffered and splitted into all 36 channels,I noticed all 9 channels on each DRS4 chip output almost the same as expected.  But the output phase from chip to chip is drifting as shown in attached picture which is from two different channels of different chips.  From the few boards I have built, I found few chips are drifting more than the others and is different on every board.

The sympton look like the DRS4 internal PLL is drifting, but I checked the DTAP output on every chip and found it's dead-lock steady even I used persistance setting on my oscilloscope.  Do you have any suggestion how to attack this problem?  Thank you.

Jacob Hwang
 

Hi Jacob,

you are missing the timing calibration. Each sampling cell has not the same width. Running at 5 GSPS, cell widths scatter from 150 ps to 250 ps. If you integrate these widhts, you get a time scale which can be off by a few ns between chips, something you see in your plot. Here is a paper which explains in detail how to do a timing calibration: https://arxiv.org/abs/1405.4975

Cheers,
Stefan

I am new to this forum. I have ordered a DRS4 evaluation board for doing experiments with very fast PET detectors. It has not arrived yet. The version of the manual I downloaded today shows software  installation instructions for Windows 7 and earlier versions. I intend to use it on a 64bit PC running Windows 8.1. Will the Windows 7 driver work, or is there an updated version for Windows 8 or 10?

Have a look here elog:434

I tried this suggestion of changing the startup settings to ingore driver license signing (as suggested in the post # 434), but when I tried to install the software I got a error message which I captured from the screen and I have attached. Perhaps I have the wrong version, or, as suggested, the file I downloaded from your site is incomplete?

I tried restarting Windows 10 in a way the allowed me to use "advanced startup options" Option 7 suggested it was to restart without mandatory driver signing. However, the error persists. Has anyone tested this latest version 5.0.4 on Windows 10? My hardware arrived today, and I am anxious to test it.!!!!

On a hunch, I tried downloading V 5.0.3 instead. This works, and I now have the oscilloscope mode displaying signals! (just to make sure, I re-tire version 5.0.4 and still get the same error. So, in summary V 5.0.3 seems to install successfully and work with Windows 10, but the newer V5.0.4 does not install... I assmume that I am missing something though, as the newer version is 10 Mbytes bigger!

The 5.0.4 version was corrupt on our server. I fixed it, so now it shoudl also work fine (although there are only very minor changes between 5.0.3 and 5.0.4).

/Stefan

Hi Stefan,

    in the datasheet it says at 6GSPS the typical loop filter parameters are 220Ω, 2.2nF and 27nF. If I want to run the Domino wave nominally at 1GHz, i.e. with a reference clock frequency around 0.5MHz, is there any recommended loop filter configuration? Is the setup of the evaluation board, that is, 220Ω, 3.3nF and 33nF an optimal choice?

    Thank you very much.

The setup of the evaluation board is a good compromise which runs between 1 GHz and 5 GHz. Unfortunately I never found the time to investigate this in more detail. So if someone is willing to measure settling time and phase jitter with various combinations of R, C1 and C2, I'm more than happy to include this into the datasheet. 

Hello, everybody!

I installed DRSosc and DRScl. Command line works normally (at least, it can "see" the board). But when I start the oscilloscope, I have an error: "PLLs did not lock on USB board #0, serial number #...". In Info section I can see the board type = 9 (and in the error message I have "USB board #0").

After that I have a warning: "Board on USB0 has invalid voltge calibration. Only raw data will be displayed". I tried to execute voltage calibration using DRSosc and DRScl, but it did not help.

Did anybody face such broblems? Does anybody know, how to fix them?

Thank you. Alexey.

Which serial number has the board? Has it been in use before or is it a new board?

Stefan